Bible Study log
Cyto says 'log on'
Cyto says '2:3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 2:5 even when we were dead in our'
Cyto says 'transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved ), 2:6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,'
Cyto says 'Ephesians 2'
Cyto says 'if you want to turn you may'
Cyto says 'if you don't hava bible nearby biblestudytools.net is good to read it online'
Cyto says 'okay tell me when you're done reading that passag'
Kendogarurumon says 'done'
Kendogarurumon smiles happily.
Lilis says 'done'
Kendogarurumon says '2:3-6 right?'
Cyto nods.
Vayrim says 'Done.'
Cyto says 'Paul starts off at the beginning of the chapter talking about how all the Ephesians were dead in sin'
Cyto says 'but then he goes on to mention that the same goes for all of us, referring to himself and perhaps all the rest of the church'
Cyto says 'or the church he was at'
Cyto says 'so what do you all get from those four verse'
Cyto says 'what is the most interesting thing you see'
Cyto says 'what do you think Lilis?'
Lilis says 'sec lol talking to sis also'
Cyto nods.
Vayrim says 'Please allow me to share two interesting things that I see.'
Cyto nods.
Vayrim says 'First of all, a reminder that it is God who saved us, and He did so out of grace because He is rich in mercy. A reminder to give the glory to God.'
Lilis says 'after vayrim i`ve got something also'
Cyto nods at Lilis.
Vayrim says 'Second, 'And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus.' I find that interesting, because I don't know what Paul meant.'
Cyto says 'GOOD Question!'
Vayrim says 'Thanks.'
Lilis says ''yeah'
Lilis says 'well verse 4 caught my attention'
Cyto nods at Lilis.
Lilis says 'it said that we were at one time one of them'
Cyto nods at Lilis.
Lilis says 'it`s talking about we were once lost and in crap '
Cyto nods at Lilis.
Lilis says 'and now that we r saved some of us look down at those people '
Cyto nods at Lilis.
Vayrim says 'A very good point.'
Lilis says 'it`s telling us "Hey u r looking in a mirror buddy'
Lilis says 'of what u once were'
Cyto nods.
Vayrim says 'A very good metaphor.'
Lilis bows deeply.
Lilis says 'thnx'
Cyto says 'in a way what you said has a lot to do with Vayrim's question'
Lilis says 'ok.....'
Lilis says 'how?'
Cyto says 'Paul put we were raised with Christ ther for partly at least the same reason'
Cyto says 'Not only were we saved by God's mercy'
Cyto says 'we were made alive WITH Christ'
Cyto says 'some people have said that IN is the most important preposition in the bible'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'in other places it says we are IN christ'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'we are the Body'
Cyto says 'because we are IN Christ'
Cyto says 'His Body'
Kendogarurumon says 'isnt it the other way around cyto???? Christ is in us'
Cyto says 'its Both'
Kendogarurumon says 'oh?'
Kendogarurumon says 'how can we be in something... and them in us at the same time?'
Vayrim says 'God can override the laws of physics and logic.'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'God is a Spirit'
Cyto says 'and he has three aspects'
Cyto says 'or persons'
Cyto says 'The Spirit is in Us'
Cyto says 'Christ is In The Father'
Cyto says 'We are Part of The Body of Christ'
Cyto says 'Christ Covers us'
Kendogarurumon says 'i still dont get it but oh well'
Kendogarurumon smiles happily.
Kendogarurumon says 'its probly one of those things you cant understand this side of the pearly gates'
Kendogarurumon smiles happily.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Lilis nods at Kendogarurumon.
Cyto says 'the nas puts it differently'
Cyto says 'For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Cyto says 'we are one Body in christ'
Cyto says 'Christ Through the Spirit is in US'
Cyto says 'Because we are IN Christ, He covers us'
Cyto says 'so we are raised with Him'
Cyto says 'though we were dead in our sins'
Cyto says 'when we accepted christ's invitation, we could be cleansed of our Sins'
Cyto says 'We could be one with Him'
Kendogarurumon nods.
Cyto says 'and becoming one with Him'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'when He was raised, so were we also'
Kendogarurumon smiles happily.
Cyto says 'IN him'
Cyto says 'but not of ourselves'
Cyto says 'The sin separated us from the LORD who is Holy,  Christ paid for it'
Cyto says 'so he had the authority to extend forgiveness'
Cyto says 'taking that offer, we can be one'
Cyto says 'we are reminded that we are Raised with Christ'
Cyto says 'thus we have nothing to boast of save Christ'
Lilis nods.
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto nods.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Cyto says 'all things Jesus did were according to the Father's will'
Cyto says 'He was IN the Father'
Cyto says 'The Father was also IN him,'
Cyto says 'He had Power and Authority  according to the Father'
Cyto says 'though he was One with the Gather in a way that is not completetly understood to us'
Cyto says '2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith'
Cyto says '2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God'
Redfieldt says 'can I say something'
Cyto says '2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.'
Cyto says 'sure'
Redfieldt says 'God the father has always loved us his creation'
Redfieldt says 'when adam fell, the rift from him and God needed to be fixed'
Redfieldt says 'God the father sent Jesus the son to fix that rift with his own life'
Redfieldt says 'so that in the future  me and you  are being shown the riches of God the fathers Grace which is favor that is un-merited through christ Jesus'
Redfieldt says 'okies I am done'
Cyto says 'I'm not sure If i explained the relationship between Jesus getting His Authority and power from God well enough'
Cyto says 'Yeshua was from the Beginning'
Cyto says 'He is God'
Cyto says 'Becoming Man he put aside something'
Cyto says 'what we don't exactly understand'
Redfieldt says 'no'
Redfieldt says 'he didn't put aside anything'
Redfieldt says 'he was both human and God at the same exact time'
Cyto says 'He was both man and God at the exact same time'
Vayrim says 'I think that one thing He put aside was His glory. Is that biblical?'
Redfieldt says 'I am not sure'
Redfieldt says 'the thing is '
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Philippians 2:5-8 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Redfieldt says 'or the way I see it'
Redfieldt says 'Jesus made himself human and went through every temptaton as a human his God power was there but he refused the temptation to use it'
Redfieldt says 'example turning rocks to bread'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'well the reason why I think he laid aside something'
Cyto says 'is'
Cyto says 'in Philippians 2:7'
Redfieldt says 'all that is saying is he became human'
Cyto says 'the made himself of no reputation'
Cyto says 'in the NAS its translated emptied himself'
Cyto says 'and the Word'
Cyto says 'in Greek Kenoo'
Cyto says 'er ken-o-o'
Cyto says 'means to  make empty, to make void, deprive of force, render vain, useless of no effect, cause a thing to be seen to be empty, hollow, false'
Cyto says 'anyway I don't know if he emptied himself of any power'
Cyto says 'Or what,'
Lilis flips head over heels.
Cyto says 'but it seems like there's something he did empty himself of'
Cyto says 'IT does say that all authority was given to him'
Cyto says 'so that's why I don't know exactly what he was emptied of'
Cyto says 'but i think it was something'
Cyto says '2:7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.'
Cyto says 'these verses here are ones you have to memorize for the billy Graham Crusades'
Cyto says '8 and 9'
Cyto says 'I' think we've basically gone over them'
Cyto says '8 and  9'
Cyto says 'i think 10 is REAL interesting'
Lilis says 'ouch'
Wargreymon will be right back!
Cyto says 'it says He created us for Good works, Created in Christ Jesus for Good Works,'
Cyto says 'Which God had prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them'
Cyto says 'okay now there is a rum'un'
Cyto says 'now I'm not trying to get into a big discussion on predestination'
Cyto says 'but to think That God actually crafted the good things for us to do brom Before is a pretty amazing thing'
Cyto says 'he really did know what was going to happen'
Cyto says 'and there really is a plan for us'
Cyto says 'which we can accept or reject'
Cyto says 'what do you feel about that Red?'
Redfieldt says 'how do I feel about him knowing we would mess up in the first place and him having to sacrifice his son to reedem us therefore reuniting us with him again by our own willing choice'
Redfieldt says 'sounds like an A+ plan'
Cyto says 'er no'
Redfieldt says 'all he wanted in the first place is for us humans to willingly love him'
Cyto says 'about specifically preparing good things for us to do'
Redfieldt says 'eh, its ok I gues'
Cyto says 'this tells me that there really is ONE right path to take'
Cyto says 'and it makes me feel a responsibility'
Cyto says 'that when i mess up'
Cyto says 'I'm deviating from that path'
Cyto says 'God prepared this stuff for From before'
Cyto says 'I don't know exactly what before is, the beginning of the world?'
Cyto says 'but in any event its something that really sobers me'
Cyto says '2:11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision " by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands -- 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.'
Cyto says '2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity , which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'now remember what we talked in verse 10'
Lilis says 'eek cyto u have 666 all 3 quote game'
Cyto says 'I also have the covering of the Lamb'
Cyto smiles happily.
Lilis says 'lol'
Lilis says 'kidding '
Cyto says 'God planned from the Beginning'
Cyto says 'or at least before'
Cyto says 'so all this stuff about gentiles being reconciled was part of His plan'
Cyto says 'the two groups having the dividing wall knocked down this was planned'
Cyto says 'this gives furhter evidence of God's desire to use the Jews and his dealings with them as a type of things to come'
Cyto says 'to use the Jews as a way of drawing all to himself'
Cyto says 'and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity'
Cyto says 'the cross put to death enmity'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says '2:17 AAND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR'
Cyto says '2:17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR 2:18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.'
Cyto says 'what does it mean by that'
Cyto says 'preaching peace'
Cyto says '?'
Lilis says 'well'
Lilis says 'i would think that it menas'
Lilis says 'means'
Kendogarurumon says 'exactly what it says'
Lilis says 'yeah....'
Lilis says 'kend u read minds?'
Redfieldt says 'he preached salvation to whomever will accept it'
Kendogarurumon says 'no i dont lilis :P'
Cyto says 'Lilis explain it to me in different words'
Lilis says 'well '
Lilis says 'he went around preaching to  people saying that "have you trials and temptaions? is there trouble everywhere? take it to the Lord in Prayer'
Lilis says 'preaching peace'
Cyto says 'what does that have to do with peace'
Cyto says 'praying?'
Lilis says 'well when u r in trials '
Lilis says 'when u pray (at least for me)'
Lilis says 'it gives peace'
Cyto nods.
Kendogarurumon nods.
Lilis says 'peace in the midst of the storm'
Lilis says 'the Lord will be right there all the way'
Cyto says 'there's more than one kind of peace'
Lilis nods.
Lilis says 'i`m just giving 1 way'
Lilis says 'but i can give another'
Lilis says 'he also may have been preaching salvation'
Cyto says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Cyto says 'how's that'
Lilis says 'salvation=peace'
Cyto says 'well how does that work?'
Lilis says 'well your soul knows that if u arent saved u will burn 4ever'
Cyto nods.
Wargreymon says, "Bah" and turns away in contempt.
Lilis says 'that is what causes that strange uneasyness in the pit of your stoumach'
Lilis says 'b4 u believe'
Lilis says 'and when u r saved *poof* the feeling leaves'
Vayrim says 'I have something to say when Lilis is done.'
Lilis says 'go ahead'
Cyto says 'sure'
Vayrim says 'Does it mean that He allowed there to be peace between Israel and other parts of the world? Does peace strongly tie in with unity in this case?'
Cyto says 'well I believe this is talking about peace as opposed to war'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'but look at the verse, who are the parties involved'
Vayrim says 'Israel and the gentiles?'
Lilis shrugs helplessly.
Redfieldt says 'and God into that mix'
Lilis nods.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Ephesians 2:16-19 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Redfieldt says 'so its God  the Israelies and Gentiles'
Lilis says 'i stand corrected'
Lilis says 'on both '
Lilis says 'things that i said'
Cyto says 'what are we citizens of?'
Lilis says 'the kingdom of heaven'
Vayrim says 'The household of God?'
Cyto says 'so were we at war before?'
Lilis says 'with God yes'
Cyto says 'how did that change'
Lilis says 'When we r lost God is our enemy because Satan is our mastetr'
Lilis says 'master'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'who's will are we doing'
Lilis says 'when we r lost or...now?'
Cyto says 'when Lost'
Lilis says 'Satans'
Cyto says 'so what is it His will that we do?'
Lilis says 'believe and follow him'
Lilis says 'but he still has a bullseye on us'
Cyto says 'satan's will?'
Lilis says 'Gods'
Cyto says 'what's satan's will'
Lilis says 'u used he with a cap H'
Lilis says 'that we never believe and he can drag us to hell with him'
Cyto says 'what else'
Lilis says 'that we convince others not to get saved so more and more people will go to hell'
Cyto says 'what else'
Lilis says '........'
Vayrim says 'That we sin?'
Cyto nods at Vayrim.
Cyto says 'what does that do to others?'
Vayrim says 'Tempts them to also sin?'
Cyto says 'and causes them pain'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'draws them away from God'
Lilis says 'i.e. my bro with the pain part i trusted him'
Cyto says 'lots of Bad stuff'
Cyto says 'what does it do with God When we sin'
Lilis says 'draws us away from him'
Cyto says 'How does God feel about it'
Vayrim says 'Angry?'
Cyto says 'When we sin, and we causes other's hurt and draw them away from God'
Cyto says 'what are we doing'
Cyto says 'to God'
Cyto says 'or what are we being used to do to Him'
Vayrim says 'Insulting?'
Cyto says 'Insulting, and fighting against'
Vayrim says 'Oh, rebelling.'
Cyto says 'we are pawns in a spiritual war when we are slaves to satan'
Vayrim says 'Or when we're slaves to our own sinful flesh.'
Cyto says 'so When Christ preaches peace'
Cyto says 'You're never truly you're own'
Lilis says 'just curious how long is study?'
Cyto says 'when you're slaved to your flesh you're slaved to Satan'
Cyto says 'about another 20 minutes'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'there's war and peace'
Cyto says 'we were at WAR with God, in a very literal sense'
Cyto says 'we were comitting the same Sin against God that satan was'
Cyto says 'we KNEW BETTER'
Cyto says 'We'd Do it OUR WAY'
Cyto says 'as the words of Frank Sinatra went'
Cyto says 'Christ preached peace with God'
Cyto says 'what did that mean'
Cyto says 'an end to the war'
Cyto says 'an end to the war with God'
Cyto says 'and end to doing things our way'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'and now doing all things according to His will'
Cyto says 'He prepared good works for us from before'
Cyto says 'that means to our fellow man too'
Cyto says 'we are no longer at war one with another, gentile and jew'
Cyto says 'because we are one in Him'
Cyto says 'as Christians how can we fight with each other'
Cyto says 'that doesn't always work out quite well'
Cyto says 'as we saw with Clairee and Athos earlier'
Lilis says 'yeah'
Lilis says 'eeeee'
Lilis says 'wow i`m going to wear out my my radio'
Cyto says 'sometimes we still have our things where we haven't fully submitted to God yet'
Lilis nods.
Lilis says 'off the subject but...'
Cyto says 'I didn't listen quickly enough when I thought maybe I shouldn't bring up Lacrosse, maybe he will be offended, maybe Clairee should have dropped it earlier, maybe Athos should have been more aware of the situation and sensitive'
Cyto says 'see we all have things we haven't perfected yet and it leads to messes'
Cyto says 'but ideally, following Christ we are at peace.'
Cyto says 'That's why its important to seek God's leading whenever we do anything'
Cyto says 'to be continually in prayer'
Lilis says 'i`m listening to a very upbeat christian band and the words are telling us to go save souls and i dont understand y people could say that that is evil because of the drums and the electric guitar'
Lilis says 'off the subject lol'
Cyto says 'when it says be continually in prayer if we're seeking God's will about everything we say we're less likely to have foot in mouth syndrome'
Cyto says 'So God what do you want me to say'
Cyto boldly proclaims 'Amen!'
Cyto says 'God Please bless this study, let us put it into practice and understand more about you'
Cyto says 'God please help us to do the right thing, and not hurt others and to Love as You love and obey as you Obeyed, Jesus, help us to be humble and listening, God bless us and be with us, we give our hearts and spirits and minds in to your care'
Cyto softly says amen.
Cyto nudges Redfieldt.
Lilis stretches luxuriously.  Kinda makes you want to doesn't it?
Lilis says 'i`m listening to a very upbeat christian band and the words are telling us to go save souls and i dont understand y people could say that that is evil because of the drums and the electric guitar'
Lilis says 'they dont listen to the words'
Lilis says 'i mean your christian rap bands'
Cyto gives everyone a big group hug!
Lilis says 'people say there is no "Christian" Rock or "Christian" Rap'
Cyto says 'its a complicated issue'
Lilis says 'it`s all "Of the Devil"'
Cyto says 'trouble is mixing'
Redfieldt says 'not really complicated'
Lilis says 'i meam HELLO people '
Redfieldt says 'are we done here'
Lilis says 'it doesnt matter if it`s rap or rock'
Cyto says 'see some people believe that if you mix something spiritual with something secular or unspiritual'
Redfieldt says 'can I start my quest?'
Cyto nods at Redfieldt.
Lilis says 'it is all about the what the words are talking about'
Cyto says 'that its like tainting the worship of God'
Cyto says 'well the thing is, the history of rock and roll was pretty evil'
Lilis says 'r u 1 of them or....?'
Cyto says 'see back in the day a lot of those bands actually were devil worshippers'
Cyto says 'or something like that'
Lilis nods.
Lilis says 'yeah but i`m saying'
Lilis says 'it is all about the what the words are talking about'
Cyto says 'Christian artists who get the inspiration from them for the Melody'
Cyto says 'make people think they're getting inspiration from the devil indirectly'
Lilis says 'pfft'
Cyto says 'Melody says something'
Cyto says 'its a form of communication'
Lilis says 'eh'
Cyto says 'beat too'
Cyto says 'it communicates emotion, and information just like words'
Lilis says 'it`s still God`s music as long as the words are Christians'
Cyto says 'different, but the same'
Wargreymon nods at Cyto.
Lilis says 'u`ve got your ideas i`ve got mine.'
Lilis winks knowingly.
Cyto says 'so there is something to be said, that certain melodies and beats really are taking you to the wrong place'
Lilis says 'no it`s THE WORDS'
Cyto says 'sometimes you listen to a song and it just fills you with a sensation'
Cyto says 'a spiritual darkness'
Lilis says 'the beat and stuff have NOTHING to do with it'
Cyto says 'even if the words are ok'
Lilis says 'the words are everything'
Cyto shakes his head no.
Cyto says 'the Spirit is everything'
Lilis says 'u happen to go to a church that only sings the old hyms cyto?'
Cyto shakes his head no.
Lilis says 'hm wow'
Cyto says 'I'm not saying I never listen to more modern music'
Lilis says 'u sound like someone from my grnadma`s church'
Cyto says 'I'm stating both sides of the question'
Cyto says 'hopefully you will be open enough to understand where they are coming from'
Wargreymon blinks innocently.
Lilis says 'well..not exactly like them'
Lilis says 'they say that the NewsBoys and Mercy Me and Third Day are ALLLLLLLL evil because they use the drums'
Wargreymon blinks innocently.
Wargreymon says '(--|CuratorS> there not evil'
Lilis says 'no they arent'
Wargreymon grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'well in a way they are evil'
Lilis gasps in astonishment.
Cyto says 'all humans are evil'
Lilis says 'they`re music'
Cyto says 'we've been saved by grace'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'but our flesh is dead'
Lilis says 'i`m not even going on to that'
Lilis says 'i`m saying they say that their music is bad because they use drums'
Cyto says 'as for their music being evil, maybe you can think of it this way'
Cyto says 'like tonight's study'
Cyto says 'God prepared good things for us to do'
Cyto says 'from Before'
Cyto says 'that means that he has a Best plan for us'
Cyto says 'it also says that we are supposed to be IN Him as He is IN the Father, He never did anything without first asking the Father'
Cyto says 'even though what some people do may seem Good, one needs to ask was this God's will or not'
Cyto says 'if someone does something for God, but doesn't pray and do it IN the Spirit'
Cyto says 'at His direction'
Cyto says 'it might have some bad results'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'example'
Lilis says 'and let me ask you how can it be evil if it is saying something like You are amazing God! how in the world could that be Satans music!?!?'
Lilis says 'y the HECK would satan want to praise God Allmighty!'
Cyto says 'not saying that's satsn's music'
Lilis says 'he is his sworn enemy'
Lilis says 'i know i`m just saying'
Cyto says 'actually there is a place in the Bible where he did something like that'
Cyto says 'See there was this woman posessed by a demon'
Lilis says 'thats what her church believes that all drums are evil'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'and the demon knew who jesus was'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'and she was going around saying this is the son of God'
Cyto says 'or something like that'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'But Jesus, it wasn't time for people to be doing that yet, it wasn't God's plan'
Vayrim says 'Lilis, are you still there?'
Vayrim says 'I guess Lilis left the room, though I didn't see him leave.'
Cyto says 'he joined the battle, he will probably be back'
Cyto says 'i'm waiting'
Cyto smiles happily.
Lilis hops around like a little kid.
Lilis says 'but grandma`s church acctually said to my face that i was a bad person because i listened to the Newsboys'
Lilis says 'and Mercy me and Third Day'
Cyto says 'and she was going around saying this is the son of God'
Lilis nods.
Cyto says 'But Jesus, it wasn't time for people to be doing that yet, it wasn't God's plan'
Lilis says 'yeah i remember'
Lilis says 'it was because the demon was scared of him and knew that jesus could (scuse the modern talk) whoop his butt!'
Cyto says 'maybe it would make people be more suspicious of Jesus, or maybe God wanted people to come to faith in God's way, whatever it was, God didn't think it was a good idea for the demon to Go around saying who he was , you can tell the truth, tell the truth about God and it can be wrong if its not according to God's will'
Lilis says 'or trying to reveal christ`s ident b4 the time had come'
Cyto says 'God knows everything but we don't, God knows the result of our actions but we don't just because we think somethings a good idea doesn't mean God will necessarily agree'
Cyto says 'and sometimes even if it is a good idea'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'if its the right thing to do, but we're not praying and in touch with the Spirit, it has no power, because salvation and good things come through the power of the Spirit'
Cyto says 'A dude had this crusade with lots and lots of gang members'
Cyto says 'He preached to them as well as it could, and it didn't do a lot of anything'
Cyto says 'finally he said I can't do this God, I have absolutely no power to help them, if something is going to happen, tis going to have to be because you do it, so I give them over to you'
Cyto says 'ya know what happened'
Cyto says 'as he was praying a waved passed over the crowd'
Cyto says 'these hardened gang bangers started crying and praying'
Cyto says 'and a lot came down to give their lives to Jesus'
Cyto says 'the point is, is that plenty of "Christian" bands aren't right with God'
Lilis says 'uh huh sure'
Lilis says 'sure they have probs'
Cyto says 'the relationships of the people in the Band isn't close with God, so they could be saying the right things, but God might be working through it'
Lilis says 'and might not be right in all ways of life'
Cyto says 'some of them probably aren't even Christians'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'I don't think that necessarily all rock/rap Christian music is bad'
Cyto says 'Nicole Mullen is my favourite Artis'
Cyto says 'Artist'
Lilis nods.
Lilis says 'i like her'
Cyto says 'Kutless, I enjoy a lot'
Lilis says 'mmhm'
Lilis says 'Skillet'
Cyto says 'but it is really possible to have something wrong with a song'
Lilis says 'TobyMac'
Lilis falls to the ground and rolls around laughing hysterically.
Lilis says 'praising God songs wrong'
Lilis falls to the ground and rolls around laughing hysterically.
Cyto says 'even with good words or a good beat, or good words and a good beat'
Cyto says 'it may not be God's best will'
Lilis says 'sorry but u have your ideas and i have mine'
Cyto says 'I guess what I'm saying is don't think its sooo simple'
Lilis says 'and i say NO Christian Music is "evil"'
Cyto says 'cuz there are more issues there than are obvious'
Lilis says 'and no one is going to change my mind'
Lilis gallantly tips his hat.
Wargreymon grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'maybe its not evil, but it may not be God's best will'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'and then there's music from bands that aren't really Christian that call itself Christian music'
Lilis says 'they wouldnt be on stage if it wasnt God`s will'
Cyto says 'what about the regime in Sudan'
Cyto says 'the Sudanese government is persecuting Christians, letting them be enslaved, even having air strikes against them'
Lilis says 'and at a Newsboys concert one day Storms alll around except for the area where the concert was it was sunny'
Cyto says 'the bible says Rulers are put there by God, but is its God's will that this happen to the Christians'
Lilis says 'one big ring around the area of the concert'
Lilis says 'u tell me that that wasnt God showing that they were in His will'
Cyto says 'in the bible it says there will come in the end times many anti-christs who say they are Christ, look like they are of the light'
Cyto says 'is it God's will when people get killed in a drive by shooting'
Wargreymon shakes her head no.
Cyto says 'is it God's will that the people in Iraq lived under a dictator that did bad things to them and now have to deal with terrorists?'
Wargreymon shakes her head no.
Cyto says 'how do you answer that?'
You hear a raspy contemplative sound come from Wargreymon. Hmmmm.
Cyto pokes Lilis in the ribs.
Lilis says 'yes it is his will'
Lilis says 'it`s a test of faith'
Wargreymon blinks innocently.
Lilis says 'some through the fire '
Lilis says 'some through the flood'
Cyto says 'well if its his will, then God lets bad things happen sometimes'
Lilis says 'yes'
Lilis says 'IT`S A TESTR'
Lilis says 'IT`S A TEST'
Cyto says 'so If someone is on stage at a Christian Concert it doesnt' necessarily mean that they are representatives of God'
Cyto says 'it could be a test too'
You hear a raspy contemplative sound come from Wargreymon. Hmmmm.
You hear a raspy contemplative sound come from Wargreymon. Hmmmm.