Bible Study log
FionaRose throws her hands up in disgust at her lousy typing skills!
Cyto says 'hold on a sec'
Cyto says 'just turned log on'
FionaRose says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Hatfield says 'think its speaking of Christ's atonement. Abolishing through his body the emnity between God and man'
Cyto says 'Passage is Ephesians 2'
Hatfield says 'repeat your part then Cyto so we have it for the log'
FionaRose says 'So yea, that is the first thing I saw too'
Redfieldt says 'God saved us while we were still sinners wallowing in Sin that he hates and he gave his own son to destory the reason or emity for God to hate us'
Cyto says 'We're looking at our Impressions of it and Letting the Sprit speak to us'
Hatfield says 'repeating for log..'
~Verse to Room from Hatfield~
Ephesians 2:1-22
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
FionaRose says 'So first I saw the part about being saved while we were still sinners'
Cyto nods sagely.
FionaRose says 'Good Wesleyan theology with prevenient grace ;)'
FionaRose says 'Second and third are joined together.. with God calling all people into righteousness, and building the kingdom with a unified people'
Hatfield says 'testing...'
Hatfield says 'ie: While we were yet sinners (prior to our choosing to follow him) Christ died for us'
Redfieldt nods.
Hatfield says 'my 'say' didn't fire for some odd reason'
FionaRose nods at Hatfield.
Redfieldt says 'is eating cheese'
Redfieldt says 'sorry I got hungry'
Hatfield says 'just don't smack your lips and I'm ok with it'
Cyto says 'mmelv you here?'
Hatfield points excitedly at Mmelville!
Hatfield says 'him right there'
Redfieldt says 'we are getting into some deep stuff so he may get confused'
Hatfield says 'think he'll get some of it. I've read his interview with Cyto for Curators'
Redfieldt nods.
Hatfield says 'kid's not dumb by any stretch'
Redfieldt nods.
Hatfield says 'now, lets stop talking about him like he isn't here shall we?'
Redfieldt says 'nod'
Hatfield ruffles Mmelville's hair playfully.
Hatfield says 'anyone else with thoughts on those passages?'
FionaRose says 'I have a lot of personal connections to the passage, but it's not really relevant to the study :)'
Redfieldt says 'sure it is'
Redfieldt says 'let the spirit lead us'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'when I see the passage'
Cyto says 'I see BIG'
Hatfield says 'lead us within the bounds we are comfortable sharing ;)'
Cyto says 'I see magnitude'
Cyto says 'I see contrast'
FionaRose beams a smile at Hatfield.
Cyto says 'I see God comparing his mercy, and grace and heaven,'
Cyto says 'and the condition we were in'
Cyto says 'I see him Going a step beyond'
Cyto says 'not only saving, not only taking us to heaven'
Cyto says 'but bringing us together, making us one'
Cyto says 'making us friends'
Cyto says 'and laborers'
Cyto says 'He Goes BEYOND'
Cyto says 'I see paul talking to people'
Cyto says 'and telling them look'
Cyto says 'you gotta get over it'
Mmelville says 'ok soz im here'
Cyto says 'what you're fighting about'
Cyto says 'what you're bugging about'
Cyto says 'ITS SOOOOOOO not nearly what God designed for us'
Cyto says 'LOOK LOOOOOK LOOOOOOOOKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! at what God has for us'
Redfieldt says 'nod'
Cyto says 'stop arguing about foreskins'
Cyto says 'if you'll excuse my bluntness'
Redfieldt says 'I see it a bit diffrently'
Redfieldt says 'stop arguing about jewishness'
Cyto says 'well yes'
Redfieldt says 'cause'
Redfieldt says 'the people would just keep nit picking'
Cyto says 'exactly'
Redfieldt says 'if not forskin, then what bout no shaving etc etc et c'
Redfieldt says 'Salvation is for whom ever will'
Hatfield says 'You! You can't be a believer, you've not had this somewhat painful elective procedure done to your *ahem*'
Cyto says 'God Has so much for us'
Redfieldt points excitedly at Hatfield!
Redfieldt says 'you cant be a beleiver cause you have a clean shaven face'
Redfieldt says 'etc'
Hatfield says 'right'
Hatfield says 'and it still goes on today'
Redfieldt says 'the bible says its the small foxes that ruin the vines'
Cyto says 'The utter Power, Grace, Goodness of God'
Cyto says 'it makes me want to cry'
Cyto says 'God has a place prepared for us'
Cyto says 'to be workers, ministers'
Cyto says 'empowered'
Hatfield says 'just don't tear up on your keyboard cyto, it mucks up the keys'
Hatfield grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'family of the king'
Cyto says '!!!!!!!!'
Redfieldt says 'God is the MOST HIGHT'
Redfieldt says 'God is the MOST HIGH'
Cyto says 'if people miss it'
Cyto says 'because they are arguing over things that aren't important, breaking fellowship, because of pride, and a wrong spirit'
Cyto says 'that is sooo sad'
Redfieldt says 'a person once said'
Redfieldt says 'about the church in the late 80's early 90's'
Hatfield listens intently to Redfieldt.
Redfieldt says 'the saints are either attacking each other, or polishing there own armor'
Redfieldt says 'and I still agree with him'
Redfieldt says 'Baptists vs Pentacostals etc'
Cyto says 'not everywhere'
Redfieldt says 'no not everywhere'
Redfieldt says 'but the majority'
Redfieldt says 'of american christianity is almost all wrong'
Cyto says 'God is working'
Redfieldt says 'according to paul washer'
Cyto says 'There's good stuff happening'
Redfieldt says 'but there could be better stuff happening'
Cyto nods sagely.
Cyto says 'God is infinite'
Cyto says 'That's the point of this chapter'
Mmelville says 'yes'
Cyto says 'I was thinking of something else i waw'
FionaRose agrees absolutely.
Cyto says 'I saw'
Cyto says 'This chapter is talking about God renewing us, God changing us from the depths of dpravity and death'
Cyto says 'to a Servant of Him'
FionaRose nods.
Cyto says 'though we were awash in sins, washed in the blood of the Lamb, we are purified and made ready for service'
Cyto says 'Don't let anyone including yourself tell you'
Cyto says 'because of what you've done'
Cyto says 'that you can never do anyting for God'
Hatfield nods in enthusiastic agreement with Cyto.
Mmelville nods.
Cyto says 'Because God is the one that prepares you, strengthens you'
Cyto says 'empowers you'
Cyto says 'no matter from where you are'
Cyto says 'He came to preach peace to those who were far away'
Cyto says 'and to those who were near'
Redfieldt nods.
Cyto says 'for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father'
Redfieldt says 'who ever was lost'
Cyto says 'we all got our stuff'
Cyto says 'but we all came from a place of death'
Cyto says 'and were brought to life'
Cyto says 'by One Spirit'
Cyto says 'through Grace'
Cyto says 'Let no one boast'
FionaRose says 'And we all belong to the same kindgom'
Cyto says 'Save On the cross'
Cyto nods at FionaRose.
Cyto says '2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household ,'
Cyto says '2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household ,'
Cyto says '2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 2:21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,'
Cyto says 'We are being built together into a dwelling of God'
Cyto says 'Together'
Cyto says 'in the Spirit'
Redfieldt says 'intresting'
Cyto says 'we are being prepared'
Redfieldt says 'being Built'
Cyto nods at Redfieldt.
Redfieldt says 'so we are not completed yet'
Cyto shakes his head no at Redfieldt.
Hatfield says 'no where close bro'
Cyto says 'Christ died for us'
Redfieldt nods in enthusiastic agreement with Hatfield.
Cyto says 'it was Completed'
Redfieldt says 'we are not compelete until Christ goes back'
Redfieldt says 'sorry'
Redfieldt says 'comes'
Cyto says 'the process of sanctification is continual'
Cyto says 'till we are at last freed from the flesh'
Cyto says 'there's this drawing'
Mmelville says 'soz im sorta lost all in all im not to fimiliar with a lot of words, rememver im only in 8th grade... but that ok proceed'
Cyto says 'oh'
Cyto says 'okay M'
Cyto says 'well please tell me everything you don't understand'
Hatfield says 'that might take a while'
Cyto says 'i got an hour'
Mmelville says 'i kno ur talking something about jesus coming back and us not being finished or something but i just am not that good at folowing can u repeat what u mean by us not being finished?'
FionaRose says 'That's a great question Mmelville :)'
Redfieldt says 'I was getting at sanctification'
Cyto says 'Are you perfet Mmelville?'
Hatfield nods in enthusiastic agreement with FionaRose.
Cyto says 'perfect'
Mmelville says 'what do u mean by perfect... perfect bout what?'
Cyto says 'anything?'
Mmelville says 'following?'
Redfieldt says 'min heh'
Redfieldt says 'everything'
Mmelville says 'umm... idk say kinda'
Redfieldt says 'do you never ever sin?'
Cyto nods.
Mmelville says 'i sin'
Mmelville says 'everyone sins'
Redfieldt says 'then your not perfect'
Cyto says 'Well that means you're not perfedt'
Mmelville says 'ok yeah'
Cyto says 'perfect'
Cyto says 'sanctification'
Mmelville says 'im not perfect'
Cyto says 'means cleansing'
Mmelville says 'ok'
Cyto says 'and it means setting apart'
Hatfield says 'and we see cyto isn't perfect cause he types worse than I do'
Hatfield winks knowingly.
Mmelville says 'lol'
Cyto says 'God is sanctifying us'
Cyto says 'he Set us apart'
Cyto says 'a special purpose'
Cyto says 'and is cleansing us'
Cyto says 'when you become a Christian'
Cyto says 'you're forgiven of your sins'
Mmelville says 'yes'
Cyto says 'you are before God clean'
Cyto says 'a price was paid'
Mmelville says 'yes'
Cyto says 'but'
Cyto says 'you're still pretty bad at following'
Cyto says 'God brings us closer to him through our lives'
Cyto says 'we get rid of more ick'
Hatfield says 'he's talking about all of us, not just you Mmel'
Cyto says 'and get to know him more'
Cyto nods.
Cyto points at himself, obviously very confused.
Mmelville nods.
Redfieldt says 'yep sometimes we like to sit down and wallow in sin for a bit'
Hatfield says 'like a muddy pig'
Cyto says 'The bible Says be perfect'
Mmelville nods.
Cyto says 'no one's perfect till they're in heaven'
Hatfield says 'but since we can't do that on our own?'
Cyto says 'but before God our sin was paid for'
Cyto says 'and we're to strive'
Cyto says 'to be perfect'
Mmelville says 'yes'
Redfieldt says 'that is a main point'
Redfieldt says 'to strive to be perfect'
Cyto says 'and God gives us the Spirit'
Cyto says 'say 2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 2:21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 2:22'
Cyto says 'say 2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 2:21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 2:22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.'
Cyto says 'read that'
Mmelville says 'i did'
Hatfield says 'we are the building'
Cyto says 'the last word'
Mmelville says 'so were not yet built?'
Cyto says 'Spirit'
Cyto says 'its what's perfecting us'
Mmelville says 'yes'
Cyto says 'its what Gives us power to be perfect'
Cyto says 'or perfecter'
Mmelville says 'ok'
Cyto says 'its what gives us power to do God's will'
Cyto says 'and tells us what it is'
Redfieldt says 'Gods spirit'
Cyto says 'comforts us when things Goes wrong'
Cyto says 'and turns us to God'
Cyto says 'leaks out of us'
Cyto says 'and pierces others'
Cyto says '2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity , which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,'
Cyto says 'read'
Mmelville says 'could u put that in simpler terms?'
Cyto says 'enmity is anger, GRRRRRRRRRRRR'
Redfieldt says 'no'
Redfieldt says 'enmity is reason to hate'
Cyto says 'ordinances are laws'
Mmelville says 'ok'
Mmelville says 'i think i kinda understand now'
Cyto says 'enmity can be either'
Cyto says 'i think'
Redfieldt says 'well i looked it up'
Cyto nods.
Redfieldt says 'it's actually'
Redfieldt says 'deep-seated, often mutual hatred. '
Cyto nods at Redfieldt.
Redfieldt says 'or a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.'
Redfieldt says 'to put it simple'
Cyto says 'in greek Echthra'
Redfieldt says 'without Christ God couldn't love us'
Cyto says 'its either enmity'
Cyto says 'or the cause of enmity'
Mmelville says 'ok'
Mmelville says 'that is better for me'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'the part that i'm looking at is'
Cyto says 'the first phrase'
Cyto says 'He is our Peace'
Redfieldt says 'repost it'
Cyto says 'Jesus is our peace'
Cyto says '2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity , which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,'
Redfieldt says 'yep Jesus paid the price to remove the enmity '
Cyto says 'Jesus is the peace of the believer'
Cyto says 'He broke down the differences'
Cyto says 'he broke down the sins that were separating us from God'