Bible Study log
Cyto says '4:1 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, 4:2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, 4:3 being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling, 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 4:6 one'
Cyto says 'God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.'
Cyto says 'so what does patience have to do with humility and gentleness'
Cyto says 'and what does it have to do with unity'
Cyto says 'anyone?'
Cyto says 'anyone wanna talk today?'
Eci says 'Sorry, I'm here, and reading, but can't really input right now.'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'well oaky'
Cyto says 'okay'
Vayrim says 'I'm afraid I don't feel so good at the moment. I'm sorry, but I feel like I need to log off and get some rest.'
Cyto nods at Vayrim.
Cyto gives Vayrim a brotherly hug.
Vayrim hugs Cyto.
Cyto says 'okay well patience is important to Unity'
Cyto says 'It is a fruit of Humility'
Cyto says 'and is tied in with gentleness'
Vayrim says 'Sorry I couldn't stick around. Bye for now.'
Cyto says 'without patience we can't really be gentle'
Cyto says 'it means we'll be snapping at each other'
Cyto says 'and won't have the patience to stick around for meaningful conversations, strength to do things that are a little less than fun'
Cyto says 'or fun in a slow sort of way'
Cyto says 'that lead to fellowship and unity'
Cyto says 'We need patience to take care with our words'
Cyto says 'to not just do what we feel'
Cyto says 'but to consider'
Cyto says 'that which will be best for our Brother'
Cyto says 'that takes patience'
Cyto says 'to use patience like that is something that comes from humility'
Jotham says 'Thank you sharky. Yes, it is time to quest again. Let's go.'
Cyto says 'you need to start with the idea that others are more important than yourself'
Cyto says 'others are therefore worth the effort'
Cyto says 'it also comes from Love ,'
Cyto says 'The Love of God constrains us to seek our brothers Good'
Cyto says 'also the Love of our Brother spurs us to patience'
Cyto says 'any questions?'
Cyto says 'Eclessiastes makes this same comparison'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Ecclesiastes 7:8 Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.
Cyto says 'The end of a matter is better than its beginning'
Cyto says 'The end of a matter is better than its beginning Patience of spirit is better than haughtiness of spirit.'
Cyto says 'Patience is linked to humility here'
Cyto says 'the opposite of patience is pride'
Cyto says 'how can that be'
Cyto says 'well as i said'
Cyto says 'the Patient is patient because he cares'
Cyto says 'the Haughty thinks his desires are more important'
Cyto says 'Jer 15 15 You who know, O LORD, Remember me, take notice of me, And take vengeance for me on my persecutors. Do not, in view of Your patience, take me away'
Cyto says 'Jer 15 15 You who know, O LORD, Remember me, take notice of me, And take vengeance for me on my persecutors. Do not, in view of Your patience, take me away Know that for Your sake I endure reproach.'
Cyto says 'jeremiah endures reproach for God'
Cyto says 'I'm not sure where patience comes in'
Cyto says 'Romans 2:4 also puts patience and tollerance together'
Cyto says 'Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance ?'
Cyto says '2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone * of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself, for you who judge practice the same things. 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly * falls upon those who practice such things. 2:3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God ? 2:4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance an'
Cyto says 'and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance ? 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 2:6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 2:7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life,'
Cyto says 'now the definition of tollerance here is VERY interesting'
Cyto says 'its not exactly what either extreme would define it as'
Cyto says 'here it talks about not judging people'
Cyto says 'it says we expose ourselves to judgement when we judge others'
Cyto says 'we can think of judgement in a couple of different ways'
Cyto says 'there's a condemning judgement'
Cyto says 'You're BAD, I'm NOT'
Cyto says 'then there's a corrective judgement....."My brother....:"'
Cyto says 'I'd guess that this refers to first and not the second'
Cyto says 'though i could be wrong'
Cyto says 'If you have NO judgement you can't even say that Hitler was wrong'
Cyto says 'but there's a difference between saying You're a bad PERSON, you can't COME HERE!!!!'
Cyto says 'and we want to watch out for that, that's not the sort of thing we want to do, and that's dangerous we need to keep our kids away'
Cyto says 'one might say there's a difference between judgemental and discerning'
Cyto says 'Judgemental implies moral superiority'
Cyto says 'however even if you don't'
Cyto says 'there's a passage that says who are you to judge another man's servant'
Cyto says 'worldlings belong to satan and we belong to Yeshua, no one belongs to you'
Cyto says 'also with the worldlings they most certainly  aren't the family'
Cyto says 'their choices are based on not wanting to give up their lives to Yeshua'
Cyto says 'God allows them to do that to an extent'
Cyto says 'Its not our job to force people'
Cyto says 'but to bring a message'
Cyto says 'so what is this tollerance, well its not tollerating a person to live only'
Cyto says 'its also not embracing all their sins'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Cyto says '2:5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,'
Cyto says 'who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS'
Cyto says 'God will judge'
Cyto says 'Not every act and lifestyle is acceptable'
Cyto says 'most especially an Unrepentant attitude is not AWFUL'
Cyto says 'sorry'
Cyto says 'an Unrepentant attitude IS AWFUL'
Cyto says 'The Bible says that God will render to each person according to His deeds'
Cyto says 'But where do people come in'
Cyto says 'what do we do'
Cyto says 'if there's church problems'
Cyto says 'well paul said there are reasons for excommunicating people'
Cyto says 'he even did so'
Cyto says 'so in some ways we still judge'
Cyto says 'but its not our job to rail against those we excommunicate'
Cyto says 'even the angel didn't dare rail against satan'
Cyto says 'he said the Lord rebuke you'
Cyto says 'so what is tollerance'
Cyto says 'tollerance within the body is putting each other first'
Cyto says 'its letting other peoples behaviour and sin against you go'
Cyto says 'its being patient'
Cyto says 'not insisting on your rights'
Cyto says 'its not bugging the pastor because you think the color scheme is off'
Cyto says '(painting)'
Cyto says 'its giving up yourself for the unity ofthe body'
Cyto says 'Tollerance is part of humility, its saying another person's comfort , God's will, is more important than my personal desire'
Cyto says 'Its tollerating little difficulties'
Cyto says 'in this way we can be one body'
Cyto says 'we are all working together'
Cyto says 'amen'
Cyto says 'God please bless the word to us tonight'
Cyto says 'Thankyou for time and oppurtunity'
Cyto says 'in your name we pray'
Cyto says 'God please help us'
Cyto softly says amen.
Cyto gives everyone a big group hug!