Bible Study log
Cyto says 'don't forget studylog'
Branduin grins mischievously.
Branduin says 'i didn't :)'
Branduin thanks Cyto heartily.
Cyto smiles happily.
Branduin pokes Tyrael in the ribs.
Branduin says 'oh twister is here and here comes tiger'
Branduin smiles happily.
Branduin says 'ty?'
Branduin says 'well cyto will you open us please?'
Branduin pokes Cyto in the ribs.
Cyto says 'k'
Branduin hugs Jotham.
Jotham hugs Branduin.
Branduin says, "Let's pray." and bows her head in prayer.
Cyto says 'YHWH we praise you, glorify your name.'
Branduin nods.
Cyto says 'say God please help us tonight'
Branduin nods.
Cyto says 'Please bless this study and our sister Branduin/ Rebecca, we praise you for her Job, you are sooooo good, , though it would have been enough if you had just saved us'
Cyto says 'God please help us to do your well'
Branduin smiles happily.
Cyto says 'to love you, to be like you in all ways, all the days'
Cyto says 'let us be continaully be in prayer before you'
Cyto says 'say God i ask your forgiveness and grace'
Cyto says 'Please we bring before you all our sins and wrong doings and wrong thoughts, and wrong words'
Cyto says 'God please forgiveus and lead us to repentence, show us every wrong way in us and make us desire you r path'
Cyto says 'God please bless Brandy and this study tonight, and all of us here let us receive your word, and be one, know your love and grow in you all this week, You promised not to let your word return void so please make it change us and inspire us all week, and show through to others too'
Cyto says 'In your name we prray'
Branduin boldly proclaims 'Amen!'
Branduin gives praise to The Creator.
Branduin thanks Cyto heartily.
Branduin smiles softly.
Cyto says 'Friend, brother and Saviour Yeshua'
Cyto softly says amen.
Branduin says 'thanks cyto'
Branduin says 'ok gang I'm gonna do a little bit different tonight'
Dolci says 'amen'
Branduin says 'we had been studying James and had gotten thru half of chapter two'
Branduin says 'so tonight I'm going to use my Maxwell's study bible and do kind of an overview of chapter two'
Branduin says 'in chapter one we learned that we need to be doers of the word and not just hearers only'
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James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
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James 1:23
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
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James 1:24
For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Branduin says 'because if we only hear the word'
Branduin says 'or sit in church we deceive ourselves about our position in the kingdom'
Branduin says 'and our fruitfulness for His work'
Tyrael says 'Id even go further and say we lose out on more'
Branduin says 'like I always say.....sitting in Church doesn't make you a Christian any more than sitting in McDonald's makes you a hamburger'
Branduin says 'we have to take the Word we hear and put it into action in our lives'
Branduin nods at Tyrael.
Branduin says 'and so chapter 2 talks about Servanthood'
Branduin says 'specifically, The Measure of our Commitment to Christ is our Action'
Branduin says 'so....'
Branduin says 'James constantly reminds us that we are to serve others'
Branduin says 'our commitment to Christ is measured by how we serve others'
Branduin says 'not our lip service so to speak but our life service'
Branduin says 'we must act on our values....not just think it or talk it'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'there are 6 principles in chapter 2 that show us this thru word pictures ;)'
Branduin says 'first'
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James 2:1-4
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Branduin says 'He touched on prejudice and partiality and showing favoritism in Ch 1 but here he brings it to the forefront'
Branduin says 'this picture is of the rich and the poor.....'
Branduin says 'Lesson: Selfish motives prevent a servant's ministry'
Branduin says 'imagine how you would feel if you were the poor man'
Branduin says 'told to sit at the back of the church'
Chowzard says 'besides that its just plain silly to think better of a person just becuse they have more cash'
Chowzard grins mischievously.
Branduin says 'would you think that the person that told you that was one of God's servants?'
Chowzard says 'probly not'
Branduin says 'or would you feel that you had been treated poorly?'
Dolci says 'it's a bad feeling even when they don't tell you but they just give you dirty looks'
Tyrael says 'well I sit there anyway'
Branduin says 'unfortunately, there are church folks that do this every day'
Dolci nods.
Branduin says 'and there are also churches that do it as well'
Chowzard says 'theres a differance ty... between chosing to sit in the back and being told to'
Chowzard smiles happily.
Branduin says 'but we have to make it a priority to honour all people'
Branduin says 'and treat them the same regardless'
Chowzard nods.
Branduin says 'remember the world looks at the outer man but the Lord looks at the heart'
Branduin says 'looks and money and jewelry are not where it's at.....Jesus is where it's at'
Chowzard says 'and were it realy matters there is no differance... were all gods children'
Chowzard smiles happily.
Branduin says 'and if he came back today, i'm not sure he would be wearing a 3 piece suit to church ;)'
Chowzard says 'or as jean likes to say.. its not what you have.. but who has you'
Chowzard grins mischievously.
Tyrael says 'nah his blood stained feet might stain the carpet'
Branduin says 'so the first lesson is that we must, to be a servant of God, have pure motives'
Branduin nods in enthusiastic agreement with Tyrael.
Branduin says 'yep todd agnew i was trying to find those lyrics ty ;)'
Tyrael says 'well actually'
Dolci says 'good song'
Tyrael says 'he won't have blood stained feet when he returns'
Branduin says 'and treat all the same'
Branduin says 'picture two is the Legalist'
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James 2:9-13
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Branduin says 'how often do we try to push our views of the Christian life on others'
Branduin says 'the Pharisees were like that'
Branduin says 'Lesson: Following rules cannot save us, but following Jesus can.'
Chowzard nods.
Branduin says 'we must follow mercy and goodness all the days of our lives'
Branduin nods sagely.
Branduin says 'notice mercy trumps judgment'
Branduin says 'none of us is God'
Branduin says 'opinions don't matter....what matters is a heart that is mindful of him'
Branduin says 'the rest comes later'
Branduin nods sagely.
Chowzard says 'nor would i want that job'
Branduin says 'we all struggle'
Branduin says 'we all sin'
Branduin says 'and we are all trying to make our way the best we can'
Branduin says 'we are here to help one another do so'
Branduin says 'not to tear one another down'
Chowzard nods.
Branduin says 'or to point out our faults'
Cyto says 'there are two models of problematic churches'
Branduin says 'so remember it isn't the rules it is the Lord'
Branduin nods at Chowzard.
Branduin nods at Cyto.
Chowzard says 'like i said... its not what you have... its who has you'
Chowzard grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'churches like Fred Phelps that says God hates gays and are going to hell at military funerals'
Branduin nods at Chowzard.
Branduin says 'exactly cyto!'
Cyto says 'and churches like the dude with the tattoos, pk, who went to the emergent church'
Cyto says 'he had a reality show'
Cyto says 'He says being Gay is fine and dandy'
Branduin nods.
Cyto says 'who are we to judge'
Branduin says 'yes two extremes'
Cyto says 'neither is what we should be doing'
Branduin nods.
Chowzard says 'live and... let live... thats how i perfer to work to'
Branduin says 'exactly'
Chowzard says 'were not god... who are we to judge or tell anyone else how they should live'
Chowzard shrugs helplessly.
Branduin says 'we have to love everyone b/c they are a sinner just like us....but we don't have to condone the sin'
Tyrael says 'I am more realistic Homosexuality is sin, the same as drinking or not eating right and the only fruit of sin is death'
Branduin says 'but we DO NOT condemn anyone'
Cyto says 'that's God's job after they're dead'
Tyrael says 'no becuase they are clay just like us'
Branduin nods in enthusiastic agreement with Cyto.
Tyrael says 'they just don't realize it'
Chowzard says 'thats gods job to judge and say hey this is wrong or this is right'
Branduin says 'we have to befriend them to show them by our ACTIONS like this says rather than just our words'
Cyto says 'but if we don't tell them of the danger that their in, we could be putting them in danger of hellfire'
Branduin says 'that is why we must show grace and mercy to everyone'
Cyto nods at Branduin.
Branduin says 'well cyto we can talk about that later but part of that isnt' our job ;)'
Chowzard says 'but isnt that the spirits job to tell us when were doing wrong cyto?'
Branduin says 'our job is to show Christ to all'
Branduin says 'and Christ is love and grace and mercy'
Branduin says 'they will figure it out'
Tyrael says 'no they won't.'
Branduin says 'the Spirit will show them the more they are around it'
Cyto says 'Thankyou'
Cyto says 'that's not unequivocally true brandy'
Branduin says 'regardless'
Chowzard says 'its the spirts job to be that little voice of concious saying hey... this is wrong... it needs to change... not ours'
Branduin says 'rules are not what saves us Christ is'
Cyto says 'a large part of the american church seems to be embracing leukwarm pseudo-christianity'
Tyrael nods in enthusiastic agreement with Cyto.
Branduin says 'not everyone is in the same place cyto and ty'
Branduin says 'we can show them the way'
Branduin says 'but we don't want to become fred phelps either'
Chowzard says 'our job is to make shure were listioning ourselves to the spirit and doing whas right'
Cyto nods.
Tyrael says 'people without the saving knowlege of christ don't understand or feel the spirits conviction'
Branduin says 'so it isn't so much that we tell them what THEY are doing wrong, we tell them about our story and how Christ changed us'
Chowzard says 'ty ... even the unsaved have a spirt... a little voice in there head... a concious in you will saying this isnt right'
Branduin says 'the point is, we as Christians have to focus on our walk'
Cyto nods at Branduin.
Branduin says 'and walk with others'
Dolci says 'but Jesus changes the heart and covicts all people saved and unsaved'
Chowzard says 'who do you think stirs the heart in the first place to become a christian..... the spirit'
Branduin says 'when we walk with them, even sinners, they will see that we are real and not like fred....'
Cyto says 'some mens consciences have been seered, they have been given over to their depravity'
Tyrael nods in enthusiastic agreement with Cyto.
Dolci says 'cuz if he didn't convict unsaved then no one would be broken enough to come to Him'
Branduin says 'and they will begin to want what we have and YES the spirit will convict them IN HIS TIME not ours'
Branduin says 'yes but God is the only one who can break thru that Cyto....we sure can't ;)'
Branduin nods at Dolci.
Branduin says 'ok going on'
Chowzard says 'RIGHT dolci... if the unsaved had no concious there would be nothing to make them want to change and come to jesus'
Branduin says 'next picture: The hypocrit'
Branduin says 'next picture: The hypocrite'
Branduin nods sagely.
Chowzard says 'sorry brandy'
Chowzard says 'ill hush now'
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James 2:18-19
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Dolci says 'if you constantly condemn them they will turn away instead of wanting to be with Jesus'
Branduin nods in enthusiastic agreement with Dolci.
Chowzard says 'exactly what i was thinking dolci'
Branduin says 'exactly and unfortunately we do that too much ;)'
Branduin says 'look at this'
Tyrael says 'but if you don't ever warn them'
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James 2:18-19
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Chowzard says 'its much better to make shure you yourself are on the right path and lead by example'
Chowzard smiles happily.
Branduin says 'there seemed to be a contest going on in Jesus time'
Branduin says 'between all the jewish sects....same is true today'
Branduin says 'and Jesus dismissed them all as just paying lip service and trying to outdo one another'
Branduin says 'the Lesson is: A lifestyle that costs us nothing....is worth nothing'
Branduin says 'remember that James is talking to those who have been committed Christians for a while'
Branduin says 'they are serving the Lord'
Branduin says 'just like us'
Branduin says 'they aren't new Christians'
Branduin says 'they are solid'
Branduin says 'so we have to do the same'
Branduin says 'we have to put feet on our faith'
Branduin says 'and to do that we have to read and heed the Word'
Branduin says 'and we focus on our lives and what we need to change'
Chowzard says 'um... whats a sect?'
Branduin says 'and we ask and pray and we LISTEN'
Branduin says 'um um a division'
Branduin says 'like Pharisees and Sadduccees'
Branduin says 'they were both Jews but believed different things'
Cyto says 'baptists and pentacostals'
Branduin says 'like denominations'
Chowzard says 'oh...'
Chowzard says 'i get it'
Tyrael says 'I associate sects with people who got it wrong '
Branduin says 'yes we have to all believe the basics the same but after that......it is like icing on the cake'
Branduin says 'well the word doesn't mean that neccissarily ty'
Branduin says 'just means a division'
Branduin nods sagely.
Rundl says 'sorry all but my computer is dying... bye'
Branduin says 'ok so far....no favoritism....no legalism....no hypocracy'
Branduin hugs Rundl.
Branduin says 'night rundl'
Dolci hugs Rundl.
Rundl says '×ShadowBEAR× see ya'
Cyto says 'some cult dictionaries use it as a synonym for cult but i always understood it as division'
Rundl gives everyone a big group hug!
Branduin says 'questions so far?'
Branduin says '3 more to go'
Branduin says 'ok next: The foolish man'
Dolci smiles happily.
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James 2:18-19
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Branduin says 'wait i did the wrong verses for the last one'
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James 2:14-17
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Branduin says 'those are the verses for hypocracy'
Branduin says 'doesn't it remind you of the Good Samaritan parable?'
Branduin says 'seeing someone laying on the side of the road bleeding and either passing on by or saying Be Blessed! but leaving them there?'
Dolci nods.
Branduin says 'we can not just talk the talk'
Branduin says 'we have to walk the walk as well'
Branduin says 'the foolish man though....'
Branduin says 'a faith that is only in my head is dead'
Branduin nods sagely.
Branduin says 'i think of Bart Ehrman who is a univ professor and writes books'
Branduin says 'he had faith at one time but now his head is in the history and grammar and such and he has convinced himself that the Bible can't be trusted and his faith has died'
Branduin says 'rather than living it, we tend to study it and split hairs'
Cyto says 'does he say he doesn't believe in God?'
Branduin says 'that leads to doubt'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'raises more questions than answers'
Branduin says 'because there ARE some things that must be taken on FAITH'
Dolci says 'my faith goes up and down but i can't imagine it dying completely'
Branduin says 'and many things that do not actually matter'
Branduin nods at Dolci.
Branduin says 'yes it is sad'
Branduin says 'and i tend to study alot'
Branduin says 'but it tends to strengthen my faith because of my outlook'
Branduin says 'an example is this.....'
Dolci says 'and it makes you a great teacher!'
Branduin says 'i am reading about the Roman Emperors'
Branduin thanks Dolci heartily.
Branduin says 'and in Luke 2 where it says that ....well here'
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Luke 2:2
(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
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Luke 2:1
And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
Branduin says 'Ceasar Augustus died in 4 BC'
Branduin says 'wait duh sorry wrong thing'
Branduin says 'Herod died in 4 bc'
Branduin says 'Cyrenius wasn't appointed governor until after that'
Branduin says 'so how can Luke 2:2 be true?'
Branduin says 'well .....'
Dolci says 'but herod was the one that wanted to kill baby Jesus wasn't he?'
Branduin nods.
Jotham says 'there was more then one herod'
Tyrael says 'that has to do with area control and more than one "herod"'