Bible Study log
Branduin says 'thanks reddy'
Branduin says 'welcome again ya'll last week '
Branduin says 'we started James 2'
Branduin says 'but were interrupted with a crash and a thunderstorm'
Branduin grins mischievously.
Angie giggles.
Jotham says 'heh'
Branduin says 'so i will go over what we did last week as well'
Branduin smiles happily.
Angie shows her approval by clapping her hands together.
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:1-5
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Branduin says 'this chapter opens by taking about showing partiality'
Branduin says 'or being a respector of persons'
Branduin says 'it goes back to verses 9 thru 10 of chapter 1'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 1:9-11
9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
Branduin says 'as most of you may remember, James is teaching the Christians of the dispersion'
Branduin says 'Christians who for one reason or another were dispersed thruout the world'
Branduin says 'so he is telling Christians how it is that we should act in various situtaions'
Branduin says 'so all of us can take his words to heart'
Branduin says 'and like reddy pointed out, be doers of them and not just hearers only'
Branduin smiles happily.
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:1-5
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Branduin says 'verse 1'
Branduin says 'MY brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality.'
Branduin says 'that is the New King James which gives us alittle more insight'
Branduin says 'partiality'
Branduin says 'what is partiality?'
Branduin peers around herself intently.
Redfieldt says 'an attitude of personal favoritsim'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'yes reddy'
Angie says 'preference of one thin gover another?'
Branduin says 'yes good'
Branduin nods sagely.
Branduin says 'also there may be another word that we use for that today'
Branduin says 'can anyone think of it'
Nemch says 'prejudice'
Branduin nods at Nemch.
Branduin shows her approval by clapping her hands together.
Branduin says 'very good'
Nemch says 'got it off the NETbible :)'
Branduin says 'yes these verses are primarily talking about wealthy'
Branduin giggles.
Branduin claps at Nemch's performance.
Branduin says 'but we can also apply them to any other thing that we hold up as a prejudice'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:2
For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Branduin says 'he goes on to give an example'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:3
And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:4
Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Branduin says 'how many times do we see this happen in the world today?'
Angie says 'all the time'
Redfieldt says 'more than id like'
Nemch says 'all the time'
Branduin nods.
Branduin agrees absolutely.
Branduin says 'so he is reminding us not to be as the world is'
Branduin says 'not to hold sacred the things that the world does such as wealth or position'
Branduin says 'but to esteem all persons the same'
Branduin nods sagely.
Redfieldt says 'since'
Branduin says 'notice in vx 4'
Redfieldt says 'he was talking to the church'
Branduin nods at Redfieldt.
Redfieldt says 'we are all the same'
Redfieldt says 'we are all the children of God'
Nemch nods.
Branduin agrees absolutely.
Nemch agrees absolutely.
Branduin says 'yes and made in God's image'
Angie says 'and some kids are naughty'
Branduin says 'but too often even in our churches'
Branduin raises an eyebrow at Angie's weird actions.
Branduin says 'explain angie ;)'
Angie says 'children = kids'
Branduin snickers softly.
Branduin says 'ahhh yes'
Angie says 'even God's children are naughty'
Jotham snickers softly.
Branduin says 'well i think we all are naughty at one time or another ;)'
Branduin nods sagely.
Nemch nods.
Angie says 'some more so than others'
Branduin says 'and do you find that it is hard for the church to accept them back?'
Nemch says 'sometimes'
Angie says 'some churches don't have forgiveness'
Branduin says 'don't we tend to build up in ourselves a picture of a person and keep it as a prejudice at times?'
Branduin nods at Angie.
Nemch nods at Branduin.
Redfieldt says 'that is what james was trying to prevent'
Branduin says 'so as individuals as well as memebers of a community, we are to try to curb that with all that is in our power'
Branduin nods at Redfieldt.
Branduin says 'but sometimes, we fail as everyone does'
Branduin says 'but we can repent and get back on the horse so to speak ;)'
Nemch says 'GOLRY!!'
Redfieldt says 'amen'
Branduin says 'notice verse 4'
Redfieldt says 'that is what we are supposed to do'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:4
Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Redfieldt says 'never give up and keep caring'
Branduin says 'notice he says that we become partial and become judges of evil thoughts'
Branduin says 'NKJV: have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?'
Redfieldt says 'evil motives in the nasb'
Branduin says 'judges WITH evil thoughts'
Branduin nods.
Nemch says 'NETBible say with evil motives'
Branduin says 'exactly all the versions are giving us the broader outline'
Branduin says 'notice that here he ties in partiality with judgement'
Branduin says 'sounds like pre-judge-ment'
Branduin says 'prejudice'
Branduin says 'did you know that prejudice is judging a person before you even know them?'
Branduin says 'just by appearance or something'
Branduin says 'and is that right in any context?'
Angie says 'i get that a lot at churches'
Branduin says 'tell us a little about that angie if you don't mind ;)'
Branduin smiles softly at Angie, showing the love of Christ in her eyes.
Branduin listens intently to Angie.
Angie says 'i don't own macy's finest clothes and stuff and people at church treat me differently cuz of it'
Branduin says 'and if i may ask, how does that make you feel?'
Redfieldt says 'I wear walmarts finest fashions too angie'
Angie says 'or cuz i don't know a lot of scriptures by heart'
Branduin nods.
Angie says 'i feel tossed out like garbage'
Branduin nods.
Branduin comforts Angie.
Nemch says 'angie i walk up in church looking like abum sometimes. I care not what others think'
Branduin says 'and does that help your relationship with god?'
Angie says 'it helps me feel far away from God'
Branduin nods.
Redfieldt says 'somtimes it hurts bad nemch we being guys can shrug it off more than girls can somtimes'
Branduin says 'i have felt the same way too'
Nemch says 'I know'
Branduin says 'but nemch has a point too we have to learn to honor God rather than men'
Branduin says 'and remember that God cares not what we wear'
Branduin says 'but it is sooooo difficult at times'
Branduin smiles softly at Angie, showing the love of Christ in her eyes.
Nemch says 'right'
Jotham says 'yes but the church is the one spot where people are suppose to be able to come as they are and not be judged as this passage in james is saying'
Branduin nods.
Redfieldt says 'we he cares we are not supposed to wear sensual stuff but that is a whole diffrent topic'
Branduin says 'you are so right jotham'
Branduin nods at Redfieldt.
Branduin pats Redfieldt on his head.
Nemch says 'its something you have to ask Gods help for.'
Branduin says 'and it hurts doubly bad when a church is a respector of persons :/'
Nemch says 'I gave up trying to please others. Its impossible'
Branduin says 'but we must start with ourselves'
Branduin nods at Nemch.
Angie says 'i don't go to church in this town'
Branduin says 'so here something we can learn is two things'
Branduin says 'first we don't need to judge others'
Angie says 'but i pray and i come here'
Nemch says 'Just focus on Chirst and know that no matter what some jerk may think, Christ loves you nd deeply cares for you'
Nemch says 'see look. now i'm doing it, calling people jerks :/'
Jotham says 'heh'
Branduin says 'and secondly we need to focus on the fact that even if others judge us due to appearance, we can stand tall b/c God looks at our hearts'
Branduin says 'see guys more difficult subject than first glance ;)'
Branduin says 'welcome cyto'
Redfieldt says 'there imperfect just like us'
Branduin says 'we are doing james 2: 1-5'
Cyto says 'sometimes our appearance, the appearance of our actions is a reflection of our hearts'
Cyto says 'hey there'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:1-4
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
Jotham says 'The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."'
Branduin says 'angie was sharing the hurt that she feels and we all feel when judged by our appearances ;)'
Angie says 'the heart is what counts'
Nemch says 'its very hurtful because we desire the aproval of our fellow man. But that is where we mess up, we seek the aproval of others when we should be caring what God thinks'
Branduin nods.
Jotham says '1 sam 16:7'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
1_samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Branduin says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Branduin claps at Jotham's performance.
Branduin says 'good verse'
Branduin says 'so we all know people who do this unfortunately'
Branduin says 'how can we help them?'
Jotham says 'first set the example'
Branduin agrees absolutely.
Angie says 'pray for them too'
Branduin nods.
Jotham says 'actions are louder then words or as james puts it faith with out works is dead'
Branduin says 'and possibly keep on keeping on in the face of such judgement?'
Branduin says 'that is the hard part'
Branduin says 'i must admit angie i resonate with what you are saying '
Angie says 'it is a bad thing when it happens to a baby christian'
Branduin says 'because i ahve been a victime of it myself quite often'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'but lucky you are here with us ;)'
Jotham says 'But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. 8We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed'
Redfieldt says 'Jesus says elsewhere its a bad thing when us christians offend the little ones'
Angie says 'i am happy i came here'
Jotham says 'how do i show a verse'
Branduin says 'possibly as you grow here, you can go back to church and show them what you have learned'
Jotham says '2 Corinthians 4:7-10'
Branduin says 'verse to room 2 cor 4:7 10'
~Verse to Room from Jotham~<br>
2_corinthians 4:7-10
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
Redfieldt boldly proclaims 'Amen!'
Branduin smiles happily.
Redfieldt says 'one of my favorite verses'
Branduin says 'so hopefully angie one of these days you will feel comfortable enough to go back to church in your hometown and not feel looked down upon'
Branduin says 'yes it is a bad thing for them to do'
Branduin says 'but it is also a bad thing that it drives a wedge between you and that congregation'
Branduin nods sagely.
Redfieldt says 'better for a millstone to be hung around thier neck and cast into the sea'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'well too reddy we will let the Lord hand out that punishment ;)'
Redfieldt says 'yep'
Redfieldt says 'Vengance is his'
Angie says 'the people in this town don't like us anyway cuz we are outsiders'
Branduin says 'and possibly by going and being part of the fellowship we can help them grow in their relationship to Christ'
Redfieldt says 'that is possible'
Redfieldt says 'but'
Branduin says 'yes Angie but God loves you :)'
Branduin says 'doesn't matter what people think ;)'
Angie nods.
Redfieldt says 'some are us four and no more'
Redfieldt says 'they don't want to change'
Angie says 'and you guys love me...i hope'
Branduin smiles happily.
Redfieldt gives Angie a brotherly hug.
Branduin says 'yes we do :)'
Branduin hugs Angie.
Angie smiles happily.
Redfieldt says 'careful angie I might bearhug you to death'
Branduin says 'welcome wargy'
Cyto nods.
Angie giggles.
Branduin says 'now then'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Branduin says 'Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?'
Branduin says 'think about it'
Branduin says 'a baby born in a stable in a food trough'
Branduin says 'brought redemption to the whole world'
Redfieldt says 'I also see'
Redfieldt says 'the poor have a better time accepting faith'
Branduin says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Branduin smiles softly at Redfieldt, showing the love of Christ in her eyes.
Angie nods.
Redfieldt says 'since they don't have much to rely on in the first place'
Branduin says 'yes yes they seem too ;)'
Jotham says 'why is it in africa when the people have lest the word of god spreads faster'
Branduin nods at Redfieldt.
Angie says 'they are not caught up in all the money etc...'
Redfieldt says 'or in china even'
Jotham says 'there are also more reports of miracles in those places do to the faith that they have'
Redfieldt agrees absolutely.
Branduin says 'maybe they don't have preconcieved notions about how things are 'supposed' to be'
Branduin grins mischievously.
Redfieldt says 'they don't have doctors to do the surgery so they beleive GOd can heal there stumped leg'
Jotham says 'they also don't have two gods'
Branduin says 'God and mammon?'
Branduin grins mischievously.
~Verse to Room from Jotham~<br>
Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Branduin nods.
Hatfield says 'finally'
Hatfield says 'sorry I'm late guys'
Branduin says 'welcome lately ;) erm hatty ;)'
Branduin giggles.
Angie says 'HATFIELD!'
Angie hugs Hatfield.
Jotham waves to Hatfield.
Hatfield grins mischievously.
Hatfield says 'spousal disagreement on the value of online time'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:1-5
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Branduin eeps!
Redfieldt says 'well pray for that'
Branduin says 'no fighting with beth!!'
Hatfield says 'we'll talk later'
Hatfield says 'disagreement, not fight'
Branduin nods.
Hatfield says 'go on'
Branduin says 'we are on verse 5 so far'
Branduin says 'having a very good discussion too ;)'
Hatfield says 'wonderful'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:6
But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:7
Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:9
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Branduin says 'notice that he compares partiality with blasphemy'
Branduin says 'scary that'
Jotham says 'explain how he is doing that'
Angie says 'how can churches treat people badly if they know it is a sin like that?'
Branduin says 'we should all think about where in our lives we show partiality and try to root it out'
Branduin says 'jothan in vs 6 & 7'
Jotham says 'to me he is saying that the same people whom you are honoring are those that are blaspheming the one you hold most dear'
~Verse to Room from Branduin~<br>
James 2:6-7
6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?
Redfieldt says 'they either don't know angie or those in leadership don't care'
Branduin says 'But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts?'