Bible Study log
Cyto says 'err'
Cyto says 'forgot something'
Kaytone says 'What'd I miss?'
Hatfield says 'not too much'
Hatfield says 'but Cyto forgot something so I think he's off getting it'
Kaytone nods.
Kaytone says 'Sorry about that'
Cyto says 'brb'
Cyto says 'say 'Humility''
Cyto says 'humility leads to unity'
Cyto says 'and springs from love'
Cyto says 'encourages love also'
Cyto says 'how is gentleness related?'
Cyto says 'Hatfield says 'all fruits of the spirit, things that draw us together''
Cyto says 'Humility and gentleness are very similar'
Cyto says 'Humility brings about gentleness'
Cyto says 'a prideful person likely isn't that gentle'
Cyto says 'but Humility'
Cyto says 'especially the sort inspired by the Spirit'
Cyto says 'leads a person to care about others a great deal'
Cyto says 'a Humble person likely won't be loud for a variety of reasons'
Cyto says 'Hatfield says 'not one to draw attn to themselves''
Cyto says 'they're a tad embarassed about being teh center of attention'
Cyto beams a smile at Hatfield.
Cyto says 'Hatfield says 'well guess I'm not THAT humble''
Kaytone grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'Hatfield scuffs his foot in the dirt, looking very sheepish.'
Cyto says 'they care a lot about other people'
Cyto says 'and they want to be careful of their feelings'
Cyto says 'a proud person cares about themselves'
Cyto says 'Hatfield gets the sudden impression we're the only two actually "Here"'
Cyto says 'so won't be too concerned with other people's feelings'
Cyto says 'the others are here'
Cyto says 'in and out'
Cyto says 'a Humble person wants to be careful to follow God'
Cyto says 'when You care a LOT about other people'
Cyto says 'forgot the log'
Cyto says 'even though i reminded'
Cyto loudly exclaims 'DOH!'
You hear Kaytone hrm.
Kaytone grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'Its something i notice'
Cyto says 'its easy to go through life'
Cyto says 'with whatever inclination your mind or body has'
Cyto says 'acting in the "natural" way'
Cyto says 'speaking in the natural way'
Cyto says 'problem we find'
Cyto says 'is that it hurts people'
Cyto says 'its not usually in the Kingdom interest'
Cyto says 'we are being transformed'
Cyto says 'I don't know where, but I think there's even a part in Ephesians close where it says our minds are being transformed'
Cyto says 'just like in romans'
Hatfield says 'if there is, it doesn't use that word in Ephesians'
Cyto says 'Our Minds are being transformed into the image of Christ'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'its different'
~Verse to Room from Hatfield~
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'oh'
Cyto says '4:22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 4:23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 4:24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.'
Kaytone nods.
Kaytone falls down laughing.
Kaytone says 'I just had it too'
Cyto says 'new man'
Kaytone says 'verse search nt "put off"'
Cyto says 'nod'
Cyto says 'our old man is useless'
Cyto says 'chaff'
Cyto says 'only fit to be burned'
Cyto says 'try to eat it and you'll hurt your mouth'
Cyto says 'You see that in the church a lot'
Cyto says 'You put chaff in a position of power'
Cyto says 'You get a lot of hurt people'
Cyto says 'and its an awful thing'
Cyto says 'Servants of God need not just be saved'
Cyto says 'we need to be walking with him'
Hatfield says 'l'
Cyto says 'turning away is easy'
Cyto says 'then what good are we'
Cyto says 'we may know the words'
Cyto says 'but the power comes from God'
Kaytone says 'Think of it this way.'
Kaytone says 'You're walking along a path, and you suddenly decide you don't want to go that way anymore. So you turn around.'
Kaytone says 'You take a step away from God. But then God is going to follow you. It says that God will carry us through all our times of need. Don't you think that would be the biggest time of need? The time when you are "walking away from God"?'
Cyto says 'say its an issue with a lot of problems'
Cyto says 'hrm maybe that's not the way to put it'
Cyto says 'It speaks of people who God abandoned to their lusts'
Cyto says 'Excommunication was referred to as something for the hope of turning the person back'
Cyto says 'abandoning them to satan'
Cyto says 'perhaps they would realize the era of their ways'
Hatfield says 'error?'
Cyto says 'this is controversial'
Cyto says 'can this refer to Christians'
Cyto nods at Hatfield.
Cyto says 'did they ever Believe truly'
Cyto says 'look at the people in your town'
Cyto says 'not everyone goes to church is as dedicatedas your family'
Cyto says 'i'd bet'
Kaytone says 'Well, I don't want to get into an argument of lost faith. Hrm, what do you mean by dedicated?'
Cyto says 'I'd bet some of them started off their walk with God enthusiastic'
Cyto says 'growing up, they may have stayed in the church but gotten a little cooler'
Cyto says 'till they come'
Cyto says 'but that's about all you see'
Cyto says 'Not doing a Ted haggert'
Cyto says 'but Not walking the Path they were intended quite either'
Hatfield says 'back in a jif'
Cyto says 'and leukwarm people, God's not happy with'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'are they unsaved?'
Japhez says 'debatable, isn't it?'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'No fruit maybe not'
Cyto says 'but what if they are struggling'
Japhez says 'Good thing God does that heart-judging thing :D'
Cyto nods at Japhez.
Cyto nods in enthusiastic agreement with Japhez.
Japhez says 'I think we, as people, are naturally bad at judging other people'
Kaytone says 'Well, I don't really want to get into that debate, and yes it is :P But if you weren't written in his Book, I don't think you were ever really even enthusiastic in Christ. You were on an emotional high, if you will... But not a spiritual one.'
Japhez says 'God seems to see the picture a bit better'
Cyto nods at Japhez.
Cyto says 'infinitely'
Kaytone says 'I'm just saying that if you are on his list, you can't really just say "No thanks" to God. That's what so many people have tried to do, and where does it get you?'
Japhez says 'Oh, the written in book/scratched out of book thing, I didn't know what were were talking about :S'
Cyto says 'briefly'
Cyto says 'you can run away'
Kaytone says 'Saying that he "scratched someone out of his book" is saying that he made a mistake imo :('
Kaytone nods at Cyto.
Cyto says 'in your running you can distance yourself from the power of God'
Cyto says 'God will bring you back'
Cyto says 'One hopes'
Cyto says 'however how many years will you waste in futility'
Japhez says 'Yeah'
Cyto says 'those people'
Cyto says 'the runners, are they exhibitting fruit?'
Japhez says 'Runner on a rubber band :P'
Japhez snickers softly.
Cyto pats Japhez on his head.
Cyto says 'Gentleness is one of those fruits'
Cyto says 'If the world is in your eyes'
Cyto says 'its hard to be gentle'
Cyto says 'Humility which is based on faith in God'
Cyto says 'is something that lets you submit'
Cyto says 'relax'
Cyto says 'when You have God's perspective you know you can afford to act according to His laws'
~Verse to Room from a friend~
1 Corinthians 9:24-27
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Cyto says 'when you don't it seems too much bother'
Cyto says 'do you know any ungentle people'
Kaytone nods.
Hatfield says 'aye'
Cyto says 'people who are only concerned with cool things'
Cyto says 'people who have no time for anything that doesn't get them a girl, money, football tickets, or alcoholic beverages'
Kaytone chuckles politely.
Cyto says 'people subject to their flesh'
Cyto says 'gentleness is scary'
Cyto says 'its something that makes you vulnerable'
Cyto says 'if you don't know about God'
Cyto says 'you rely on hte social order for your acceptance'
Hatfield bows deeply.
Cyto says 'gentleness is something that people could take advantage of'
Cyto says 'make fun of'
Cyto says 'use'
Cyto says 'You don't want that if you rely on yourself'
Cyto says 'but if you rely on God'
Cyto says 'You know He's Got it all covered'
Cyto says 'He gives you your power and your worth'
Cyto says 'He HAS shaped your destiny'
Japhez says 'Life is simpler :P'
Cyto says 'His opinion matters'
Cyto says 'They may kill you but you'll still be fine'
Cyto says 'and often he'll take care of you here'
Cyto says 'but its difficult'
Cyto says 'It may mean you reconsider your words'
Cyto says 'It may mean you don't make a joke'
Cyto says 'and it may mean you seem awkward'
Cyto says 'just leaving a moment'
Cyto says 'you could be witty,'
Cyto says 'instead you are silent'
Kaytone waves to Redfieldt.
Redfieldt waves happily.
Cyto says 'do you fear people will not like you as much'
Kaytone waves to Seth.
Cyto says 'that you may miss an opportunity'
Cyto says 'Humility and faith, lets you know that Its taken care of'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'Gentleness will help more people'
Cyto says 'not to say you should never joke'
Cyto says 'but we must take great care in our words and actions'
Cyto says 'You're probably pretty intelligent'
Cyto says 'You're on a mud'
Tsk tsk tsk... Japhez shames himself, and he must deserve it!
Cyto says 'so you're responsible for more awareness'
Kaytone says 'I think tact would have a huge part in that as well. You make your points through love and, as you say, gentleness. Otherwise people usually go on the defensive :)'
Cyto says 'not just arguments'
Cyto says 'casual conversation'
Cyto says 'existence'
Cyto says 'this isn't to say every Christian needs to be the same'
Cyto says 'we all have different personalities'
Cyto says 'but we are all being conformed'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'it may mean you choose a different seat than you normally would because you don't want to offend someone'
Cyto says 'it may mean that you don't defend yourself, because its more important that a person stop arguing, or not be attacked, than you be right'
Cyto says 'it may mean leaving instead of staying'
Kaytone says 'Definately'
Cyto says 'but not always'
Cyto says 'sometimes it means staying and firm and gentle'
Cyto says 'we need to be with the Lord to hear and feel his Leading'
Cyto says 'Its all about putting others first'
Redfieldt nods.
Cyto says 'anyone have any thoughts?'
Redfieldt says 'since I saw the last part of the study no'
Kaytone says 'I think you're absolutely right. Paul talks a lot about that when he talks about debateable issues in the mosaic law'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'what do you think of when you think gentle'
Kaytone says 'Almost all the time he speaks, it's in the perspective that you should act out of knowledge when you're by yourself, but you MUST act out of love lest you cause them to stumble or fail to win them over'
Redfieldt says 'calm strong firm yet peaceful'
Cyto says 'give me examples'
Kaytone says 'Your kid crayons your wall'
Redfieldt says 'My pastor controlling a wild group of youth without raising his voice'
Kaytone says 'You could turn their rear black and blue. Or, you could talk with them and get them to agree with why what they did was wrong. That'd have a better end-result anyway, because (once again) they aren't forced to the defensive.'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'ever see the Jerry Lewis Movie where he was a magician in Japan'
Cyto says 'in the USO'
Cyto says 'the stereotype of the Asian and the Gaijin'
Kaytone shakes his head no.
Cyto says 'the stereotype of the american is the cowboy'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'LOUD, BIG HAT wearing, BIG STEAK EATING, CARD PLAYING, LARGE QUANTITY OF ALCOHOL IMBIBING, HAWG ROPING, BULL RIDING, MAN!'
Kaytone chuckles politely.
Kaytone says 'Sounds like the Mexicans ;)'
Cyto says 'the stereotype of the asian is the woman pouring tea, politely ignoring all the Gaijin's faux pas'
Cyto says 'and duitifully seeing if he needed anything'
Cyto says 'now that's vastly problematic in real life'
Cyto says 'but it does give us an example'
Cyto says 'we're going to be around a lot of loud people'
Cyto says 'they may offend us'
Cyto says 'they may hurt us'
Cyto says 'they may insult us'
Cyto says 'they may be dangerous'
Cyto says 'but as the duitiful Christian'
Cyto says 'our Job is to minister to them'
Cyto says 'and we don't have to respond in kind'
Cyto says 'in the world but not of it'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'our perspective is not on the Cowboy'
Cyto says 'We are responding to God'
Cyto says 'Not the Cowboy'
Cyto says 'because God is who we're looking at'
Cyto says 'Peter in the Storm'
Cyto says 'but we Need to be Filling ourselves with God'
Cyto says 'you become what you hang around'
Cyto says 'we don't want to be the storm or the cowboy'
Kaytone says 'I thought only the Spirit can fill us with the Spirit?'
Cyto says 'that's true'
Cyto says 'but we can be asking for it'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'or we can be turning away'
Cyto says 'and getting caught up in the storm'
Cyto says 'there will be a lot of people who want to argue with you, want to get you involved, get a rise out of you'
Cyto says 'parents included'
Cyto says 'even they can be inperfect at times'
Cyto says 'its our job to stay focussed on God'
Cyto says 'the focus of the book is unity'
Redfieldt waves happily.
Cyto says 'How does this all work to unity?'
Kaytone says 'We become one with God, and God becomes one with us'
Cyto says 'gentleness'
Kaytone says 'That's what I just said!'
Kaytone looks around and whistles innocently.
Cyto says 'what's its contribution'
Cyto says 'humility we know'
Cyto says 'what is the contribution of gentleness'
Kaytone says 'Helps us hear God and follow His guidance'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'also'
Cyto pokes Kaytone in the ribs.
You hear a raspy contemplative sound come from Kaytone. Hmmmm.
Cyto says 'two parts of the question'
Kaytone says 'Being "wrong" instead of having a fight?'
Cyto says 'God Desires Unity with the Body'
Cyto says 'He Desires to the Body to have unity among'
Cyto says 'There a bunch of different kinds of unity'
Cyto says 'Unity of God'
Cyto says 'Unity between God and man'
Cyto says 'Unity among men in Christ'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'to a much lesser extent peace between the body and those outside'
Cyto says 'speak to all those'
Cyto grins mischievously.
Kaytone nods.
Cyto smiles happily.
Cyto says 'Okay I'd have to say I don't know much about unity Of God'
Cyto says 'at least specifically about gentleness'
Cyto says 'between God and men'
Cyto says 'you mentioned'