Bible Study log
Christopher says 'let me turn on the lamp '
Cyto nods.
Christopher says 'Paul is asking us to walk in a worthy mann before the Lord, and he tells us how to do that'
Christopher says '(thats all)'
Cyto says 'okay what about verse 3 and 4 specifically'
Christopher says 'i am not sure'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'okay well it says to be dilligent to preserve the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace'
Cyto says 'as Christians we are one'
Cyto says 'it says earlier'
Cyto says 'that we were raised together in Christ'
Cyto says 'Forget which chapter'
Christopher says 'i've read that before'
Cyto says 'But the Body of Christ was raised, toghether, IN Christ'
Cyto says 'i had the concept presented to me this way'
Cyto says 'we were before part of the first adam'
Wargreymon nods.
Christopher says 'yes'
Cyto says 'the name man comes from the word adam'
Cyto says 'or vice versa'
Christopher says 'yes'
Cyto says 'that is our old nature'
Cyto says 'Adam became sinful'
Cyto says 'sin became part of his nature'
Cyto says 'and as part of him we inherrited it'
Cyto says 'our destiny was one with his'
Cyto says 'However, Christ is the Second Adam'
Cyto says 'in a sense'
Cyto says 'when he went on the Cross he became sin for us'
Cyto says 'God breathed life into adam'
Cyto says 'With Jesus, God put his spirit into a man's body'
Cyto says 'or created a man's body'
Cyto says 'and well...'
Cyto says 'They were two men God directly made'
Cyto says 'although with Christ he always was'
Cyto says 'Christ became the second man'
Cyto says 'when he rose from the dead, he took all men who accepted him with him'
Cyto says 'he had the keys to hell death and the grave'
Cyto says 'Because he had paid the price'
Cyto says 'He gave man a choice to become part of his family'
Cyto says 'and those who did'
Cyto says 'were Raised with Hims'
Cyto says 'Him'
Cyto says 'In Him'
Cyto says 'say they were Raised toghether in Him'
Cyto says 'that means ( I think) the Body as a whole was raised Together in Christ'
Cyto says 'so we are ONE Body'
Cyto says 'One family'
Cyto says 'furthermore'
Cyto says 'Being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace'
Cyto says 'The unity of the Spirit'
Cyto says 'when we were raised in Christ we were mad new'
Cyto says 'We became vessels purified, God sent His Spirit to dwell in us'
Cyto says 'we all have the same Spirit'
Cyto says 'in us'
Cyto says 'so there is a bond'
Cyto says 'there is a bond of peace between all Christians, it should be a bond of AGAPE too'
Cyto says 'Because of this its stupid for any Christian to stay at odds and have division with others'
Cyto says 'Think of the sacrifice that Yeshua made'
Cyto says 'we all have one spirit'
Cyto says 'are part of one body'
Cyto says 'if a body fights against itself how can it have any success'
Cyto says 'In addition'
Cyto says 'in verse 1 it talks about the calling with which you have been called'
Cyto says 'God called us all'
Cyto says 'he predestinated us from the beginning, preparing for us Good works'
Cyto says 'he called us'
Cyto says 'he called us to a specific purpose'
Cyto says 'we all have one purpose'
Cyto says 'To glorify God'
Cyto says 'To go forth into every nation to every tongue, preaching Yeshua's message'
Cyto says 'and to take care of each other'
Cyto says 'So given that we have one s'
Cyto says 'So given that we have one spirit,'
Cyto says 'we are part of one body'
Cyto says 'raised together'
Cyto says 'ooh'
Cyto says 'we were dead in our transgressions'
Cyto says 'all our righteousness was as filthy rags'
Christopher says 'amen'
Cyto says 'None of us came from a different place'
Cyto says 'since we are all one body'
Cyto says 'one spirit'
Cyto says 'one purpose'
Cyto says 'Called by One God'
Cyto says 'Us fighting'
Cyto says 'being selfish'
Cyto says 'picking'
Cyto says 'its like beathing yourself up'
Cyto says 'ever see mask 2'
Cyto says 'not that i recommend the movie at ALL'
Cyto says 'evil pagan movie'
Wargreymon shakes her head no.
Cyto says 'well anyway ooh wrong movie'
Cyto says 'I'm think of Liar Liar'
Cyto says 'Jim Carey beats himself up to get out of having to tell the truth'
Cyto says 'he takes himself by the shirt and slams himself into the wall'
Cyto says 'he takes one hand and pushes his head down against a metal bar'
Cyto says 'that's what its like for the Christian church'
Cyto says 'when we fight'
Cyto says 'when we don't accept every member as a brother, beloved and a blessed Beloved'
Cyto says 'see we say oh we have different preaching styles'
Cyto says 'or different world views or we just don't get along'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'or we will just hope that they can find another church that's more "for them"'
Cyto says 'the thing is, is there is only supposed to be ONE church'
Cyto says 'and we are all brothers'
Cyto says 'and More than brothers'
Cyto says 'we share one spirit and one calling'
Cyto says 'We're not supposed to bicker, and turn our shoulders'
Cyto says 'because that is like mocking the sacrifice Yeshua made'
Cyto says 'We are the bride of Christ'
Cyto says 'are we to come to our Bridegroom with a bloody nose because we've been rolling around in a toilet?'
Cyto says 'As far as it is up to you be at peace with all men'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'Paul says do not break unity'
Cyto says 'and indeed he gives some examples of what we must do to keep it'
Cyto says 'verse 4 is amazing'
Christopher says 'how do i turn fellowship off?'
Cyto says 'type fel'
Cyto says 'i do noquote'
Cyto says 'oops'
Cyto says 'i do nobattle, noverse, nomixup, nofreeze,'
Cyto says 'it helps'
Christopher says 'thank you'
Cyto says 'actually verses 5 and 6 are particularly amazing'
Cyto says '4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 4:6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all'
Cyto says 'Our God is over all'
Cyto says 'he is through all'
Cyto says 'and in all'
Cyto says 'He is in us'
Cyto says 'by the Spirit'
Cyto says 'and he is through us'
Cyto says 'i don't completely understand that'
Cyto says 'but here's two thoughts'
Cyto says 'he works Through us'
Cyto says 'God is Glorified in His people'
Cyto says 'We represent God'
Cyto says 'when we obey God, God is glorified'
Cyto says 'God's Love is shown through us'
Christopher says 'thats interesting'
Cyto says 'God is also through us in that He permeates the Body'
Cyto says 'and He works bringing the Body Together'
Cyto says 'if you look at a group of believers in Church you could think of it as The spirit Permeating Each Member and The Son Being around the whole Body'
Cyto says 'thus He is Through all'
Cyto says 'The body should be acting in unison'
Cyto says 'Expressing God as they each are called'
Cyto says 'Each person being an Expression of God'
Cyto says 'God using each person like an instrument'
Cyto says 'The Body is a symphony'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto beams a smile at Christopher.
Cyto says 'We each have a unique contribution'
Cyto says 'God shaped us each'
Cyto says 'uniquely'
Christopher says 'yes'
Cyto says 'He prepared good works for us to do'
Cyto says 'and predestined us'
Cyto says 'when we obey, He is glorified'
Cyto says 'when the Body works together'
Cyto says 'He may work through them as one'
Cyto says 'each with his part'
Cyto says 'each contributing to a purpose'
Cyto says 'so that it is not chaos'
Cyto says 'but a plan is actually being followed'
Cyto says 'not a man's plan'
Cyto says 'But God's plan'
Cyto says 'and He is further Glorified when this is revealed'
Cyto says 'The amazingness of God is displayed in that unity'
Cyto says 'and the Love'
Cyto says 'There are many spiritual Gifts, but the greatest is Love'
Cyto says 'and it is a Spiritual gift'
Cyto says 'without Love unity is impossible'
Cyto says 'and How can God be glorified if we do not Love, for that is how he is represented'
Cyto says 'since that is his primary characteristic, as far as I know'
Cyto says 'okay clear so far'
Cyto says 'questions?'
Christopher says 'none'
Cyto says 'disagreements?'
Christopher says 'everything was very well explained in my opinion'
Cyto says 'kewl'
Cyto says 'well then on to the next verse'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Cyto says 'now this verse I don't really get'
Cyto says 'completely'
Cyto says 'I can think of a few possibilities'
Cyto says 'Christ's gift may be His death'
Cyto says 'His death was Infinite'
Cyto says 'He was perfect'
Cyto says 'So His death was infinite in worth'
Cyto says 'our sins were bad'
Cyto says 'they required blood to pay for them'
Christopher says 'i think i see something'
Cyto says 'So Christ's death was sufficient to pay for them'
Cyto says 'k'
Cyto says 'shoot'
Christopher says 'i am thinking there is a connection to the time Jesus said that he who's forgiven much loves much...'
Christopher says 'your thoughts'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'that's a possibility'
Cyto says 'It could also be talking about spiritual gifts'
Cyto says 'but that doesn't line up with verse 8'
Cyto says '4:8 Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."'
Cyto says 'all caps'
Cyto says 'indicates quote from OT'
Cyto says 'He freed us'
Cyto says 'and when he freed us he gave us Gifts'
Cyto says 'see ever hear the song It would have been enough?'
Cyto says 'If you ever go to a Jewish Passover service'
Cyto says 'particularly a Jewish-Christian passover'
Cyto says 'they will sing Dayenu!'
Cyto says 'Dayenu says It would have been enough.....if God did this'
Cyto says 'He didn't only do this though'
Cyto says 'He did THIS which is more'
Cyto says 'It would have been enough if he created us'
Cyto says 'But he wanted to be friends with us'
Christopher says 'wow'
Cyto says 'it would have been enough if He saved us from Egypt, but he brought us to a new land, I t would have been enough if he brought us to the land but he gave us help claiming it, it would have been enough if he had given us a chance to repent but he gave his son to die for us when we could not, it would have been enough if jesus came to pint the way, but he died, it would have been enough if jesus died for us but He Called us Brothers, he predestinated us to a Glorious destiny, and it would have been enou'
Cyto says 'and it would have been enough if he did this but He let us share in His WORK, it would have been enough, He sent His Spirit to dwell in us, It would have been enough but he said He's coming Again, and we will dwell with Him Forever!'
Christopher says 'thats amazing'
Cyto nods.
Cyto gives praise to The Creator.
Cyto says 'He blesses us more than abundantly'
Cyto sniffs sadly.
Cyto says 'GOd saved us'
Cyto says 'with his death'
Cyto says 'and resurrection'
Cyto says 'but then he gave us his Spirit'
Cyto says 'He gave us Gifts'
Cyto says 'and He charged us to do His work'
Cyto says 'God desires us as coworkers'
Cyto says 'and it says to ask of God and he will fill'
Cyto says 'I don't know this verse'
Cyto says 'i think i saw it years ago'
Cyto says 'where it said God would fill us with His full power'
Cyto says 'or some translations unto the full power of God'
Cyto says 'now we don't have the faith/obedience to use it appropriately'
Cyto says 'Jesus said that we would do greater things than him'
Cyto says 'There was a famous question'
Cyto says 'The world has never seen, what God would do with a man fully consecrated to him'
Cyto says 'oops'
Cyto says 'what he would do witha and for and through and in and by the man who is fully consecrated to Him.'
Cyto says 'well Dwight L. Moody heard this'
Cyto says 'he heard someone say this'
Cyto says 'and He said to himself I will try my utmost to be that man'
Cyto says 'do you know what he accomplished?'
Christopher says 'yes'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'Dwight was a shoe salesman'
Cyto says 'He received Power'
Christopher says 'i pray that that would be OUR prayer :)'
Cyto says 'i also know people don't get saved by our power'
Cyto says 'when 20k people come to Christ'
Cyto says 'or 1'
Cyto says 'its God'
Cyto says 'and its a miracle'
Cyto says 'God please let us live this this week'
Cyto says 'and let it be our prayer'
Cyto says 'and our thought'
Christopher says 'yes God'
Cyto says 'pelase keep us focussed on you'