Bible Study log
Cyto says 'well here its talking more about what to do when you are angry'
Cyto says 'its saying in your anger'
Cyto says 'in any case'
Cyto says 'don't sin'
Cyto says 'let it go'
Cyto says 'anger is pretty inevitable'
Cyto says 'i mean the world is full of plenty of stuff that will rile you'
Cyto says 'the closer you get to God, the less you'll probably be angry'
Cyto says 'at least about foolish pride issues'
Cyto says 'but the more you'll be sad for your fellow man'
Cyto says 'but you might get angry when you see unrighteousness and being human we'll get mad unrighteously too'
Cyto says 'but in any case its saying don't let it hang around'
Cyto says 'we are new creatures'
Cyto says 'and we put aside our anger for a reason'
Cyto says 'i was just having this conversation the other day'
Cyto says 'a christian friend ofl'
Cyto says 'everyone go vis please'
Wargreymon sighs.
Cyto says 'a Christian friend of mine was getting annoyed with the people around them for using foul language'
Cyto says 'and I tried to help him by redirecting his thoughts'
Cyto says 'see our Purpose, our reason'
Cyto says 'isn't our own pleasure and happiness'
Cyto says 'its not our comfort'
Cyto says 'Our reason is operatives of a kingdom'
Cyto says 'we're here to glorify God'
Cyto says 'we're here to help to let all people know that God loves them and desires them and that they can be saved from destruction'
Cyto says 'when that's your attitude'
Cyto says 'you may still be offended'
Cyto says 'but it doesn't become the big thing in your mind because you have a bigger concern'
Cyto says 'your discomfort is secondary to their salvation'
Cyto says 'so while it still grieves you your thought becomes, How can i minister to them'
Cyto says 'not how can i stop them from annoying me'
Cyto says 'its a process'
Cyto says 'obviously we're not all anywhere near there yet all the time'
Cyto says 'but that's the goal'
Cyto says 'and the closer i get to Christ, the more i find that to be the case'
Cyto says 'the last part of the chapter expands'
Cyto says '4:27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 4:28 He who steals must steal no longer, but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. 4:29 Let no * unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit'
Cyto says 'talk about that passage in that light'
Cyto says 'why did paul put that their'
Cyto says 'after anger'
Cyto says 'tell me when you're all done reading'
Cyto says 'read it twice'
Kaytone says 'i'm done'
Stryfe says 'done'
Kaytone says 'i'll brb though, sorry'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'okay'
Cyto says 'well why did paul write that there'
Cyto says 'why did he put that right after the thing about anger'
Cyto says 'gimme your best guess'
Cyto says 'well Okay then'
Cyto says 'no one wants to try'
Cyto says '?'
Cyto pouts.
Stryfe says 'sorry, i'm having a hard time connecting the two'
Cyto says 'k'
Cyto says 'Paul said not to hold on to anger'
Cyto says 'and not to sin in your anger'
Cyto says 'then he said Not to give opportunity to the devil'
Cyto says 'can you think of anyway that holding onto yoru anger or sinning in your anger could be an OPPORTUNITY for the devil if you are a christian'
Stryfe says 'yeah, I can see how that could happen'
Cyto says 'now remember how we talked about we're not here for ourselves'
Cyto says 'we're here to glorify God and help others'
Cyto says 'we're here to Represent!'
Cyto says 'think of some of the ways the Devil could take advantadge of that'
Cyto says 'lets go for the biggy'
Cyto says 'lets say you're raised in a christian home'
Cyto says 'and say the dad is always angry'
Cyto says 'say he is alwasy blowing up at the kids'
Cyto says 'maybe even about spiritual things'
Cyto says 'maybe they're alwasy living in fear that he'll yell or even hit them'
Cyto says 'maybe even in his anger he'll say things that are hurtful'
Cyto says 'think about what it would be like to grow up in a home like that'
Cyto says 'think about how the kid would feel about God when they grew up'
Cyto says 'peiple tend to think God is like their father'
Cyto says 'that can cause a lot of excrement'
Cyto says 'people think church is a joke because of that'
Stryfe says 'yeah, i can see how that would give the wrong impression of god'
Cyto says 'we don't fight against people'
Cyto says 'we fight against powers and principalities'
Cyto says 'there is a very real spiritual struggle going on'
Cyto says 'and a devil that doesn't want us to have a relationship with God or glorify God'
Cyto says 'and if we're already Christians he doesn't want us to be an effective worker'
Cyto says 'its not an allegory'
Cyto says 'say and you may find that when you get angry you open yourself to something other than God controlling'
Cyto says 'and influencing your decisions'
Stryfe nods.
Stryfe says 'true'
Cyto says 'even a Christian who has been a christian for a Long time and is committed can still get caught up in rage and it can be hard to get past your pride to apologize, or close your mouth, or do the right thing'
Cyto says 'and you may find yourself losing friendships and hurting people that you never wanted to hurt'
Cyto says 'you may see things happening all around you'
Cyto says 'and looking on in horror'
Cyto says 'Why is this happening?'
Cyto says 'Why did I say that? why is she reacting that way'
Cyto says 'the Bible says be praying to God continuously'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
1 Thessalonians 5:17
Pray without ceasing.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
1 Thessalonians 5:17-20
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
Cyto says 'what was said before that?'
Kaytone smiles happily.
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
1 Thessalonians 5:15-17
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
Cyto says 'interesting'
Cyto says 'I just thought of that passage'
Cyto says 'and look what comes before it'
Cyto says 'don't repay evil for evil'
Cyto says 'and after that rejoice evermore'
Cyto says 'and after that pray without ceasing'
Cyto says 'what could that mean?'
Cyto says 'its saying right after not repaying evil for evil'
Cyto says 'do good'
Cyto says 'rejoice and pray without ceasing'
Cyto says 'Its saying we need to be in constant prayer'
Cyto says 'one of the things this does is it prevents us from making DUMB decisions'
Cyto says 'when we pray to God over what we say and what we do'
Cyto says 'when we are before God like that, then we'll be more attuned to saying the right thing, and when he prompts us to be quiet'
Cyto says 'we need to be careful of our brothers feelings'
Cyto says 'we're in a world with a lot of damaged burdened, hurt people'
Cyto says 'and we need to be careful how we tread'
Cyto says 'I know this REALLY REALLY Well'
Cyto says 'because I'm lousy at it'
Cyto says 'I haven't really been doing the praying continually thing lately, and I've gotten myself in trouble in a number of ways , particularly with hurt people'
Cyto says 'I just looked on the situation'
Cyto says 'saying what i felt was right'
Cyto says 'and watching things degenerate'
Cyto says 'and was like MAN'
Cyto says 'sometimes you should know better'
Cyto says 'being continually in prayer, looking to God with help with lots of little situations makes you ready'
Cyto says 'when someone does something not so nice to you'
Cyto says 'to be able to respond in a good manner'
Cyto says 'to love them'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Philippians 4:1-9
1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.
2 I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord.
3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Cyto says 'take a lok there'
Cyto says 'read that over'
Stryfe nods.
Cyto says 'done?'
Stryfe says 'not yet'
Cyto nods.
Kaytone thanks Cyto heartily.
Stryfe says 'done'
Cyto says 'kaytone do me a favor and look up a verse where it talks about being continually in hymns and spiritual songs and meditating on good things'
Cyto says 'does that passage ring a bell'
Cyto says 'well anyway'
Cyto says 'here it may not be obvious'
Cyto says 'but Syntyche and Euodias were fighting'
Cyto says 'apparently they were two women in the church who were serious about God'
Cyto says 'i mean they HELPED paul'
Cyto says 'but they were at each other'
Cyto says 'and Paul was writing to them to be of the same mind in the Lord'
Cyto says 'we talked about this in the last study'
Cyto says 'or at least two studies ago'
Cyto says 'we are of One Spirit in Christ'
Cyto says 'and Ephesians'
Cyto says 'is a Lot about being of one Spirit, not disrupting the unity of the body'
Cyto says 'we are One body, with one Spirit and we need to be careful to not disrupt the unity'
Cyto says 'Paul tells us to Rejoice in the Lord'
Cyto says 'we may have serious differences but what are we to do'
Cyto says 'Rejoice in the Lord'
Cyto says 'how does that help?'
Cyto says 'anyone?'
Cyto says 'How could rejoicing in the Lord help to stop a fight?'
Stryfe says 'keeps us all together? something in common?'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'and reminds us of the perspective'
Cyto says 'when you take a picture you can focus on a tree'
Cyto says 'or you can focus on a forest'
Stryfe nods.
Cyto says 'you can even focus on a tiny piece of planckton'
Cyto says 'we're children of the living GOD'
Cyto says 'He raised us together from the dead'
Cyto says 'In Him'
Cyto says 'Sent us His Spirit'
Cyto says 'and Made us coworkers in going out to the world and telling people about him'
Cyto says 'and in ministering to each other'
Cyto says 'he Calls Us Friends and Brothers!'
Wargreymon sighs.
Cyto says 'not just servants'
Cyto says 'we deal with Souls every day'
Cyto says 'we fight against Powers and principalities'
Cyto says 'now if your perspective is being happy and having a nice life'
Cyto says 'and you're living day to day'
Cyto says 'well then little things might bother you'
Cyto says 'but if you're living for ETERNITY'
Cyto says 'and have a Goal of being used by God to reach Souls'
Cyto says 'well then if someone steals your cookie, it is sort of not the most important thing in the world'
Cyto says 'and then we remember that we're brothers'
Cyto says 'You can HAVE my cookie'
Cyto smiles happily.
Stryfe smiles happily.
Kaytone grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'People are more important that cookies'
Kaytone says 'BLASPHEMY'
Cyto says 'and even when it is a matter of people or pride, or whatever'
Wargreymon grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'God is more important than any of it'
Cyto says 'and he's our real standard'
Cyto says 'any questions'
Kaytone nods.
Cyto says 'and Please if anything ANYTHING is not understandable please Ask'
Kaytone says 'How do we turn the other cookie?'
Kaytone says '(kidding :P)'
Cyto encompasses Kaytone in an ENORMOUS bearhug!
Cyto says 'just like that'
Kaytone grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'It can be hard when someone won't forgive you'
Cyto says 'or won't forget'
Cyto says 'but if they know you love them'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'if You respond as God responds'
Cyto says 'then they will REMEMBER'
Cyto says 'and all you can do is all you can do'
Cyto says 'But God's word does not come back void'
Cyto says 'there's a passage that says be continually singing spiritual songs and meditating on spiritual things'
Cyto says 'and here it says to be continually praying'
Cyto says 'and it even says'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Cyto says 'my sunday school teacher made the whole class'
Cyto says 'the whole church'
Cyto says 'repeat that after every song time'
Cyto says 'the idea was eventually to do it without looking'
Cyto says 'we're to be continually keeping Good pure things in our minds'
Cyto says 'why?'
Cyto says 'tell me why does God want that?'
Cyto says 'i was listening to a social psychology lecture from berkeley yesterday'
Cyto says 'and in it they were presenting some interesting evidence'
Cyto says 'surprising from berkeley'
Cyto says 'they were saying that we are very imitative creatures'
Cyto says 'when we see violence we imitate it'
Cyto says 'when wrestling matches occur, you can see a spike in domestic violence cases against people of the same race as the loser of the wrestling match'
Cyto says 'kids who watch lots of violence on television are more prone to antisocial behaviour and violence'
Cyto says 'after seeing suicides in the media of famous people'
Cyto says 'suicides of people in the same demographic are likely to go up'
Cyto says 'the long and short of it is that you are what you consume'
Cyto says 'its not JUST a book, its not just a Game'
Cyto says 'it effects you'
Stryfe nods.
Cyto says 'interestingly people who listen to propaganda from communist contries'
Cyto says 'or listened to a message from a nobel prize winning scientist'
Cyto says 'hrm i forget the specifics of that one'
Cyto says 'well the point was that when people hear fiction or things from noncredible sources'
Cyto says 'while they may dismiss it immedcdiately, the fiction as opposed to the persuasive argument was Actually MORE likely to effect them two weeks down the road in their politics'
Cyto says 'maybe because the fiction was dismissed and not consciously defended against in their minds'
Cyto says 'the fact might have been mulled over'
Wargreymon nods.
Cyto says 'but this fiction that they dismissed was affecting them'
Cyto says 'so the proposition that we make up our own minds, that knowing that something is fiction we're not affected by it is totally false'
Cyto says 'you are what you put in your head'
Cyto says 'and it matters'
Cyto says 'God knew that'
Cyto says 'Berkeley didn't have to tell him'
Cyto says 'so he gave us an instruction manual'
Cyto says 'he cares about what we think about not just what we do'
Cyto says 'both effect us'
Cyto says 'They used to have couples with real serious marital problems beat each over the head with nerf bats to work out their agression'
Cyto says 'apparently that wasn't such a good idea'
Cyto says 'The biblical model seems to be a bit of a better idea'
Cyto says 'philippians 4 7-9 and 1-6 too'
Cyto says 'we need to focus on God, on His big picture, and His love for us while we were yet sinners, even though we keep messing up'
Cyto says 'If God has forgiven us we need to firgive'
Cyto says 'to forgive'
Cyto says 'that's what it says in the last verse'
~Verse to Room from Cyto~
Ephesians 4:30-32
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Cyto says 'verse 30 makes me very sobered'