Bible Study log
Cyto says '6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 6:2 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise ), 6:3 SO THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU, AND THAT YOU MAY LIVE LONG ON THE EARTH. 6:4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.6:5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according'
Cyto says 'say to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; 6:6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 6:7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 6:8 knowing that whatever * good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. '
Cyto says 'okay read that over and tell me when you're done'
Cyto raises his hand in response.
Poofin raises his hand in response.
Poofin says 'i read a little firther while you were formatting'
Poofin says 'I have a question'
Cyto beams a smile at Poofin.
Poofin says 'in verse 13 it talks about the belt of truth, and the breastplate of righteousness is that where the names for the abuy gear came from'
Cyto nods.
Poofin says 'i know this isnt biblestudy per-say'
Poofin says 'I was just curious :-)'
Poofin says 'cool'
Cyto says 'its my hope to eventually redo the entire temple in accordance with the biblical desc, but yeah'
Poofin nods at Cyto.
Cyto says 'okay this is talking about obedience here'
Poofin says 'brb'
Cyto says 'now you were here for the study last week in which we talked about the subjection of the husband to the wife being a type of the subjection of the church to christ and the believer to christ'
Cyto says 'so we have more of the analogy'
Leia nods.
Leia says 'sorry ... I was in the little girls room ... I was catching up ... I have finished the verses :D'
Cyto says 'i'm really bad at all of these things, obeying God, men, bosses and parents, when i finally grew up a bit it was one of the happiest days in my life in as much as i had a legitimate reason well a few legitimate reasons in my mind for not doing everything my parents told me, as for working unto the Lord I'm really bad at that too, I 'm undisciplined'
Leia says 'I have a question'
Leia says 'I am pretty sure that it is somewhere in the bible... but 100%'
Leia says 'like this ... is there a verse that talks about us obeying mans law as long as it doesn't go against God's law'
Cyto says 'and have a hard time concentrating well at workk, fortunately i'm tollerated cuz i fix peoples computers, catch expensive errors, and have a city job where its impossible to fire incompetent people unless thhey actuallyy abuse a kid significantly, but it grieves me when i mess up and i hardly think i'm one to be talking about these things but i'll do my best'
Cyto says 'thats actually a compplicate question'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'as far as i know thats a doctrine thats taken from a few verses'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'Jesus said give to caesar what is caesar and to God what is God's, paul said when in rome do as the romans do, somewhere it says obey all powers and authorities and it says do it as unto God, but there are also the verses where people refuse to obey when the law contradicts Gods law like worshipping someone else besides God'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'It says as far as it is possible for you be at peace with all men, as far as it is possible could be taken to indicate, there are some people you just can't please'
Leia nods.
Japheth bows deeply.
Cyto says 'and the apostles themselves show that they would confront people when the situation warranted'
Leia beams a smile at Japheth.
Cyto says 'they brought the Gospel which wasn't something that was peaceful'
Cyto says 'men fought over it, Jesus didn't come to bring peace but a sword'
Leia nods.
Japheth says 'well he did come to bring peace to those who accepted his message but a sword to those who dont want the will of God in there lives.'
Cyto says 'now he didn't want people going around trying to get in fights but in as much as its what we have to do to bring the Gospel, we can do it in the most kind and loving manner we know'
Japheth says 'sorry didnt mean to interupt'
Cyto says 'japheth that's a good point japheth but i'm talking about a different kind of peace'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'people who accept Jesus have the peace of God in their lives'
Japheth nods.
Cyto says 'that's not a peace from physical circumstances, as any christian can attest, or most, becoming a christian doesn't mean your life gets easier'
Cyto says 'being a christian brings lots of struggles'
Poofin says 'if anything it gets harder, You see all the people who need salvation, and aren't always sure how to help them'
Japheth nods.
Cyto says 'Jesus didn't come to bring temporary peace, the emote nods tearily and seriously at poofin'
Japheth says 'I have had alot more trials in my life since I accepted the Lord'
Cyto nods at Japheth.
Cyto says 'there is a divide, because we are called to speak truth and people don't like being confronted, , when you say i believe something different than you do, and its really important for you to believe this cuz you will Go to hell if you don't take these actions and accept this man, well people react badly'
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Psalms 34:17
The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
Leia nods.
Leia beams a smile at Japheth.
Cyto says 'but that said if you asked a unspirited person to do that and said you have to do this or we will kill you, he might do it in an unloving way'
Cyto says 'look at moslems'
Cyto says 'they evangelize too,'
Cyto says 'but their idea of evangelism can involve yelling at you and killing you'
Cyto says 'admittedly some moslems now are evangelizing in a way similar to ours in some ways , but for examples sake we're talking about the others'
Leia nods.
Japheth says 'not all moslems are that way some have actually read the Koran'
Japheth says 'I have and its very close to the bible'
Cyto says 'thats cuz it copies off the bible'
Japheth says 'there toaught to be loving and kind to all'
Japheth nods in enthusiastic agreement with Cyto.
Cyto says 'except they're also taught to kill you if you don't submit'
Japheth says 'I am not saying its right just simply I believe alot of moslems have gotten a bad rap'
Cyto says 'the moslems who got the bad rap are the ones who don't follow the koran right'
Japheth says 'yeah your talking about radical Gheehad or however you spell it'
Cyto says 'they're like the mainline christians who think christianity is something you do on sunday and is a nice part of your life'
Japheth nods sagely.
Cyto says 'the ones who understand it are the ones who want to blow you up'
Leia says 'Cyto ... i was wondering ... maybe next time we could have the study over teamspeak? If I set it up on one of my computer'
Japheth says 'yeah I agree with you there alot of people think I am strange because I keep the sabbath of the bible instead of sunday but its what Jesus did and I figure I cant go wrong following him'
Leia says 'but I guess then we couldn't record it.. I didn't think about that'
Japheth says 'thats a good idea'
Japheth says 'I can make an mp3 of it'
Japheth says 'easy'
Leia says 'cool ... it is up to Cyto'
Japheth says 'I can record anything that plays on my computer'
Cyto says 'we can talk about sabbath keeping another time its an itneresting topic, i know seventh day adventists, as a vegetarian, its nice to have people that cook edible food free'
Japheth says 'I believe in the bible and not people and I also believe in letting the bible interpret itself.'
Japheth says 'here alittle there alittle'
Cyto says 'teamspeak is a cool idea but i'm concerned abbout people who aren't set up for it, i have thought many times about irc, what i was hoping someone could do sometime is make an ircbot that would repeat stuff said on ark back to irc room and viceversa like and eggdrop bot modified to work with ark'
Japheth says 'scripture interprets scripture'
Japheth nods.
Japheth will be right back!
Cyto says 'anyway all those things are kewl things that we can discuss more later, a verbal bible study definitely has its merits'
Leia says 'we can talk about it after the study'
Cyto says 'now back to submission'
Leia nods.
Leia beams a smile at Cyto.
Cyto says 'okay who wants to vollunteer for the full nelson'
Poofin says 'full nelson ?'
Cyto says 'submission hold'
Poofin says 'I guess i just volunteered :-)'
Cyto giggles.
Cyto says 'islam talks about submission, it says the whole idea is about submission you are justified by your works'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'but actually you have to be vouched for by a family member who martyred himself'
Cyto says 'the whole thing is set up around not doing this and doing that, '
Cyto says 'whereas christianity , the law is love'
Japheth says 'back'
Japheth rests and begins to meditate... he chants softly to himself.
Cyto says 'see even in god's commands to obey your rulers there is a command to the ruler to treat the subject well, its a mirror of God's love and relationship and is an instructor for getting to know him better, i think maybe if we learn to submit oursleves to human authorities better perhaps we learn to submit ourselves to God better and learn a little more about his love, God reveals himself to thiose that obey hims'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'this makes sense because when you obey God you are doing his will and when you do his will the fruit of his plans can come out, wel God can make them come out other ways, but when you do his will, the fruit can come out around you so you can see god's plan working and that can show you how kewl God is and give you a reason to Love him, see you'll see how much God lovews you and that will engender love in you for Him'
Poofin nods at Cyto.
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.
Cyto says 'but i find its real hard to get somewhere without his help, so everytime I get on my knees, everytime i submit myself to my parents or my boss or someone, everytime i try to overcome my weaknesses, i see that as taking one step closer to God, and then he works in me more and there is more gift to overcome'
Cyto says 'whatcha all think bout that?'
Poofin says 'more gifts to overcome ?'
Poofin says 'that part confused me a bit'
Cyto says 'more gifts with which i may overcome obstacles'
Poofin says 'ok, that make sense'
Cyto smiles happily.
Poofin says 'yeah, the closer you get to him, the more he works thru our lives'
Japheth sits down and thinks deeply.
Cyto says 'so what are your personal experiences'
Leia says 'with God helping us overcome things ... or with us submitted to others?'
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Cyto says 'both'
Cyto says 'either, what ever you feel might be edifying'
Poofin says 'humility is a hard thing to have, and that is basically what this is talking about the humility to stand back and let God work thru you'
Cyto looks at Poofin and proclaims 'Amen!'
Leia says 'well ... when God drew me to himself and I came to know Jesus as my Saviour ... '
Leia says 'this is kinda bad ... but I was completely in a like of durgs'
Leia says 'err drugs'
Leia says 'and I gave my life to him'
Leia says 'and asked him to help me'
Leia says 'because I knew I could not do anything on my own'
Leia says 'and He ... and only He ... not me ... was able to get me clean'
Leia says 'and sober'
Japheth says 'I have actually found in my life that once I came to a point of realazation that Jesus IS everything and once you realize that and you can put it into practice by surrendering your will your life and everything to Him then I have seen God work greatly through me.'
Leia says 'and bring me close to Him'
Japheth nods at Leia.
Cyto says 'well how has that worked out when submitting to other people'
Leia says 'That was 13 years ago ... but it was a huge change that would have not happened without the Lord'
Japheth says 'same with me hedeliverd me as well'
Cyto nods at Leia.
Cyto nods at Japheth.
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Matthew 25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Japheth says 'that says it best I think'
Cyto says 'getting off drugs, and surrendering control to God that s pretty hard but in some ways surrendering to other people can be harder'
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Cyto says 'say your parents or your boss'
Japheth says 'can you see the verses?'
Cyto says 'what do you do when you know how to nod jap'
Cyto nods at Japheth.
Leia nods at Japheth.
Cyto says 'what do you do when you know something better than your boss'
Japheth says 'I think of it this way Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.'
Japheth says 'so'
Leia says 'It depends on if they ask for my help'
Cyto says 'when you explain stuff to your boss, when you boss instructs you to do it the WRONG way when it w'
Japheth says 'even if I think I know better'
Japheth says 'If I can just love them and be kind no matter what I am doing it unto the Lord'
Poofin says 'in the end even if it is the wrong way, its still your boss'
Leia says 'I try to not make them feel wrong'
Japheth nods in enthusiastic agreement with Leia.
Japheth says '1 wrong doing can turn someone from ever listening to you'
Cyto says 'it means more work for you, it means harm to the company but the people in authority insist on it being done the wrong way now you could get away with doing it the right way if it worked, probably but do you submit'
Poofin says 'you can try to discuss the situation and find a compromise (depending on the situation/boss)'
Japheth says 'ever'
Japheth says 'I would just do what my boss asked without argument or question unless he braught it up and ask me for my opinion'
Japheth says 'in fatc I have done just exactly what I just said'
Poofin says 'it comes down to which is more important, you being right, or your boss getting it done the way they want it'
Leia nods at Japheth.
Cyto says 'what about when your boss insists a lie is true'
Japheth says 'my last job misses me ALOT because of doing things Gods way instead of my own'
You hear a raspy contemplative sound come from Japheth. Hmmmm.
Cyto nods.
Japheth says 'example?'
Japheth says 'whats the lie?'
Japheth says 'whats the situation'
Poofin says 'if my boss insists on a lie, they can believe it if they want'
Poofin says 'but, in the end the truth is still the truth'
Leia nods at Poofin.
Japheth says 'I believe we cant just give a simple anser I need to hear it out first'
Cyto says 'what about when you are repeatedly wrong even when you're right, and they insist you agree with them if you don't respond they get mad if you tell the truth they get mad if you only say you're wrong when you're not then they will be appeased but still slightly annoyed'
Japheth says 'depends on the situation'
Poofin says 'then it is time to find a new job'
Cyto giggles at Poofin's actions.
Japheth nods in enthusiastic agreement with Poofin.
Poofin says 'the boss while being obeyed still needs to respect the employee'
Japheth says 'I was going to say the same'
Cyto says 'it is time for me to find a new job'
Cyto says 'but thats neither here nor there'
Japheth rests and begins to meditate... he chants softly to himself.
Japheth says 'but say its this instead my boss insists that evolution is true and creation is false'
Cyto nods at Japheth.
Japheth says 'and wants me to agree with him'
Japheth says 'well'
Japheth says 'I would first fast and pray for him'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'what if it was an immediate situation, he was like you agree DON't YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
Japheth says 'because only God can change a persons heart'
Japheth says 'I cant'
Japheth says 'I would pray inside my head while I told him politly I do not agree with evolution'
Cyto nods at Japheth.
Japheth says 'just 1 cell in our body is so complex it can fill a library room full of books'
Poofin says 'agreeing to what you believe is a lie, is wrong'
Cyto nods sagely at Poofin.
Cyto says 'indeed there is a verse in the bible that says that'
Poofin says 'if asked point blank I would have to stick with my own opinions/beliefs'
Cyto says 'thathat you should defend the truth'
Cyto says 'to not let truth go undefended'
Poofin nods.
Japheth says 'but I would tell him I love working and I enjoy my job and how can I serve you better'
Cyto says 'if someone can find that verse for me i appreciate it'
Cyto says 'I'm in a messianic judaism group'
Japheth says 'which?'
Japheth says 'truth undefended'
Japheth says 'or something along those lines?'
Cyto nods at Japheth.
Cyto says 'don't let a lie stand or something'
Cyto says 'and in that group most of the people are legalists'
Japheth says 'hmmm'
Cyto says 'who believe they need to obey kosher laws and keep sabbath to be doing God's will and a little further'
Japheth says 'old or new testament'
Cyto says 'often times people come into the group who have diifferent ideas'
Cyto says 'and feal a need to express them'
Cyto says 'and the people in the group say they have an obligation to address EACH of these people'
Cyto says 'because of that bit about not letting a lie stand or not letting God's truth be assailed changed and stuff'
Cyto says 'so they have the same conversation often'
Cyto giggles.
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Leviticus 18:23
Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Japheth falls to the ground and rolls around laughing hysterically.
Japheth says 'wrong one'
Cyto says 'OOohh my'
Cyto says 'yup thats a verse in the bible'
Cyto says 'and all you furries in here, well we can talk about that later'
Cyto says 'it really comes down to pride'
Cyto says 'with some exceptions'
~Verse to Room from Leia~
Colossians 3:9
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Leia says 'what comes down to pride?'
Cyto says 'sorry have to deal with something irl, um hopefully it will go away soon'
Leia nods.
Japheth says 'wow'
Leia says 'what?'
Cyto says 'a person'
Japheth says 'most lie verses in the bible are strange'
Leia nods at Japheth.
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Leviticus 15:18
The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.
Japheth snickers softly.
Japheth says 'still trying to find your verse Cyto'
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'an annoying person is trying to explain the dangers to me of feeling one has a special revelation from God and by extension having a special relationship with him or something'
Japheth says 'that makes me just want to say'
Japheth says 'huh'
Japheth scratches his head in bewilderment.
Japheth snickers with Poofin about their shared secret.
Cyto says 'I do apologize for the delay'
Cyto says 'O, dear hwo do i remain respectful'
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Leviticus 19:11
Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
Cyto sighs.
Cyto says 'breathes'
Cyto says 'Lord Yeshua give me patience'
Cyto says 'okay back to study'
Cyto says 'the person irl who keeps telling me about the dangers of over involvement in religion'
Leia comforts Cyto.
Japheth says 'was that the verse you wanted?'
~Verse to Room from Japheth~
Leviticus 19:11
Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
Cyto shakes his head no.
Cyto says 'it was specifically about not letting a lie or untruth or assailment of spiritual thing go unchallenged, um i think somewhere in romans or ephesians it says don't let the thing that you know is Good be said to be sin'
Cyto says 'and i think there was another'
Cyto says 'don't let that which you know to be something be called sin'
~Verse to Room from Poofin~
Psalms 50:21
These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
Cyto says 'i want to talk about the parent child relationship before we run out of time'
Poofin nods at Cyto.
Leia nods.
Cyto says 'i particularly respect authors who remembers what it was like to think as a child'
Cyto says 'who bring out in you all those thoughts that you forgot'
Cyto says 'do you remember the absolute betrayal you felt when for the first time it seemed your parents did something evil or selfish toward you'
Leia says 'yes'
Cyto says 'when they seemed to be controlling your life for reasons that were other than your best'
Cyto says 'when you knew they wre wrong and the absolute mindbreaking sadness of it'
Japheth says 'my thirst and hunger triggers are driving me nuts'
Japheth will be right back!
Cyto says 'just gag it all'
Japheth says 'I need to step out and feed'
Japheth gags in disgust.
Cyto says '/gag You are hungry. /gag You are thirsty.'
Japheth smiles happily.
Japheth thanks Poofin heartily.
Cyto smiles happily.
Leia says 'parents are just human'
Leia says 'humans sin'
Japheth raises an eyebrow.
Leia says 'what?'
Japheth says 'I dont'
Leia says 'ok...'
Japheth says 'I try not to remember my childhood'
Japheth says 'it was very bad'
Leia nods at Japheth.
Japheth says 'my mom was killed by a drunk driver when I was 6'
Leia comforts Japheth.
Cyto says 'I remember as an adult feeling that i was starting to see someof the times i thogught my parents were putting unnecessary restrictions on me, how they were being so unidealistic, and seeing how, my sinful nature, made it the best decision sometimes beccause often I didn't have the discipline to do things the best way'