Bible Study log
Cyto says 'before we got to know Christ so well'
Cyto says 'we probably didn't think much of Christians'
Cyto says 'now the sinners prayer, i prayed when i was six'
Cyto says 'BUT I'm still struggling to live the way i want to live'
Branduin says 'that's because it is a process ;)'
Dariathe nods.
Dariathe says 'Even Paul'
Branduin says 'called sanctification different from justification'
Amahl says 'and that struggle will continue this side of Heaven'
Branduin nods at Amahl.
Cyto says 'well anyway'
Cyto says 'between the time i was six and i started growing to a certain point'
Cyto says 'I had contempt for a lot of Christiany things, and people who were "overly christian"'
Dariathe says 'Uh huh'
Dariathe hugs Cyto.
Branduin says 'cyto is this still part of the recap or are you explaining the verses as you see them now?'
Cyto says 'I wasn't a big fan of those no tv watching freaks, I didn't like those people who said they only liked listening to christian music, I couldn't understand those people who would put abortion as the highest priority with voting and ignore the environment'
Branduin nods.
Branduin says 'and?'
Cyto says 'and I shared my views'
Branduin says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Branduin says 'so you are saying you feel you reproached Christ by doing so?'
Cyto says 'yes'
Branduin nods.
Cyto says 'out of ignorance a large part'
Branduin says 'oh okay.....well good thing he is a BIG god and can take it :)'
Branduin says 'we all do that to apoint'
Cyto says 'really out of pride, not liking to give up my sins'
Cyto says 'my SELF'
Dariathe nods.
Branduin says 'that is part of our growth as Christians'
Dariathe hugs Cyto.
Branduin says 'and i think we all tend to do that in some respects'
Cyto says 'I find I KEEP doing it'
Cyto says 'I find out something I taught, a year ago or so, was WRONG'
Amahl says 'because you're still an imperfect clay vessel bro'
Cyto says 'and I'm like okay WHO did i tell that to so i can correct myself'
Dariathe nods.
Amahl says 'learn from it and teach the truth now. The others will find the truth on their own I'm sure'
Cyto says 'this shows how people who are not in Christ will reproach him'
Cyto says 'Christ is a reproach'
Dariathe nods.
Cyto says 'Christ Reproaches people, because they know they are not pure'
Amahl says 'but He is also the response to the reproach as well'
Cyto says 'they rather be mad at him'
Amahl says 'But he loves them whether they are mad or not. He intends to bring us all out of ignorance and into truth. From reproach into response'
Dariathe nods.
Cyto says 'If you talk to a gay person, first thing you'll probably here is You think I'm a sinner? You think I'm going to hell! Jesus hates me?!'
Cyto says 'if you talk about God'
Dariathe nods.
Cyto says 'even if you talk about something really different'
Dariathe says 'It's the first issue they want to grapple with, because it's hard to believe in a God who hates you'
Dariathe says 'Hmm I think it's really had to have this sort of conversation wtih somebody unless you know him/her really well'
Amahl says 'very true'
Cyto says 'it may not be accurate, Christ still tands for perfection, people fill in their own ideas about his thoughts on the matter'
Amahl says 'if you don't know the person, they tend to just shut you off'
Cyto says 'sometimes they come up and ask you'
Cyto says 'even if you don't know them'
Cyto says 'God convicts them'
Amahl says 'if they approach you, likely they've seen you enough to know that you are a Christian'
Cyto says 'and they earnestly struggle not to deal with it'
Cyto says 'and i don't just mean gay people'
Cyto says 'i mean all of us'
Cyto says 'watching movies'
Cyto says 'that we know we shouldn't'
Amahl says 'all of us less than perfect vessels'
Cyto says 'listening to music that we know we shouldn't'
Cyto says 'listening to radio programs'
Cyto says 'looking at billboards'
Cyto says 'gossipping at the water cooler'
Branduin eeps!
Dariathe nods.
Amahl says 'forgive me guys and gals, but I need to scoot'
Cyto says 'taking too much time at work to do the things we're supposed to do'
Branduin whines pathetically to Amahl.
Cyto says 'gay people are easy to villify'
Amahl says 'getting late for me (about 10:40pm)'
Branduin says 'was that just a me crash or did everyone?'
Cyto says 'but how about the boy who just works a bit slow'
Amahl says 'sorry sis, just you'
Amahl bows deeply.
Branduin says 'or the guy to does bible study too slow ;)'
Branduin giggles.
Branduin pats Cyto on his head.
Amahl says 'and on THAT note...'
Branduin grins mischievously.
Amahl says 'God bless'
Branduin looks around and whistles innocently.
Branduin hugs Amahl.
Dariathe says 'Oops that wasn't supposed to be global'
Dariathe waves to Amahl.
Dariathe smiles happily.
Cyto says 'MOVING ON'
Dariathe nods.
Cyto says 'The world reproaches Christ'
Cyto says 'and the Law convicts them'
Cyto says 'Christ takes the reproaches of the world'
Cyto says 'and loves people anyway'
Cyto says 'we can apply this to our own lives'
Cyto says 'what if you are in an abusive relationship'
Cyto says 'if someone, everytime they see you, tells you how terrible a person you are'
Cyto says 'maybe they even hit you'
Branduin punches Cyto playfully.
Dariathe sighs.
Cyto says 'maybe they even do worse things'
Dariathe nods.
Cyto says 'maybe they completelty manipulate your life'
Cyto says 'what do you feel?'
Dariathe says 'horrible'
Cyto says 'first thought'
Branduin says 'angry?'
Branduin says 'frustrated'
Cyto says 'your asking?'
Branduin says 'scared'
Cyto says 'what do you do?'
Cyto says 'first thought?'
Branduin says 'depends'
Cyto says 'no'
Cyto says 'what's your first reaction'
Dariathe says 'take it and hope that it'll stop?'
Branduin says 'like i said it depends if it is a friend i get angry'
Branduin nods at Dariathe.
Dariathe says '(I know that's not the RIGHT response, but...)'
Branduin says 'if it is me and i'm in that cycle i usually take it and hope it changes'
Dariathe nods.
Dariathe says 'Me too'
Branduin nods at Dariathe.
Dariathe says '(Not a good sign'
Tealc says 'to be honest me too'
Branduin says 'yeah it tends to be a cycle'
Cyto says 'well that's not the first thing i want to do'
Cyto says 'the first thing that I'm inspired to do is respond violently'
Cyto says 'possibly lethally'
Branduin eeps!
Branduin dives behind Dariathe and hides.
Tealc says 'i've felt that way toward the whole sitch with my dad'
Branduin nods at Tealc.
Dariathe says 'Hmm..'
Cyto nods at Tealc.
Cyto says 'girls more often cry and men hit'
Cyto says 'though not exclusively'
Branduin hehs at thin air! How ridiculous.
Tealc grins mischievously at Branduin.
Branduin says 'yeah my fiance and i used to fight like cats and dogs'
Branduin says 'bad situation'
Branduin sighs.
Tealc says 'i thought that is raining cats and dogs...'
Tealc sits down and thinks deeply.
Branduin says 'that too ;)'
Cyto says 'our first reaction isn't always our reaction'
Branduin says 'but then you have to make a choice either to stay in it or to get out'
Cyto says 'as I've grown I've learned that hitting people, is a BAD thing'
Dariathe grins mischievously at Cyto.
Branduin punches Cyto playfully.
Branduin says 'not always ;)'
Branduin grins mischievously at Cyto.
Cyto says 'well in MOST situations'
Branduin giggles.
Cyto says 'non-life threatening situations'
Cyto says 'and even Most? life threatening ones'
Dariathe says 'Okay..'
Cyto says 'there is another way to respond'
Branduin gapes in shock and astonishment.
Cyto says 'How did Yeshua respond?'
Tealc says 'forgive them'
Branduin says 'well i think domestic violence is a little bit different than that cyto'
Redfieldt says 'I agree with branduin'
Branduin says 'domestic violence is a pattern'
Cyto says 'I'm not talking Only about Domestic violence'
Redfieldt says 'God made us smart enough to leave an abusive relationship'
Branduin says 'Jesus took the abuses to fulfill the Father's will'
Dariathe sighs.
Cyto says 'and How Yeshua respond..........'
Cyto says 'OOO'
Cyto says 'OOOOOO'
Cyto says 'Good'
Cyto says 'Redfieldt gets the Cookie for tonight'
Dariathe raises an eyebrow.
Cyto says 'YES'
Dariathe scratches her head in bewilderment.
Branduin pats Cyto on his head.
Redfieldt says 'id prefer a gf but cookie will do'
Dariathe smirks.
Cyto throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
Dariathe says 'Girlfriends don't just get handed out so easily, friend'
Branduin says 'well'
Redfieldt says 'it was a joke '
Branduin falls to the ground and rolls around laughing hysterically.
Tealc lols at everyone. What in the world is a lol?
Dariathe grins mischievously at Redfieldt.
Branduin says 'yes Jesus did not ask us to be a doormat ;)'
Redfieldt says 'ah if branduin was 20 years young or i was 20 years older wink!'
Cyto says 'How did Yeshua respond'
Branduin says, 'ooOOooOOooOOoo.'
Branduin giggles.
Dariathe gasps in astonishment.
Dariathe says 'So insensitive!'
Cyto says 'What did Yeshua do when people wanted to grab a hold of Him?'
Dariathe says 'Age aint nothin' but a number =P'
Redfieldt says 'back to study please'
Dariathe says '(as Aaliyah would have said... *thoughtful sigh*)'
Branduin giggles.
Dariathe snickers softly.
Branduin pats Redfieldt on his head.
Branduin says 'define grab a hold of?'
Dariathe encompasses Branduin in an ENORMOUS bearhug!
Dariathe says 'I'm sorry Red, you can't have her anyway. (She's mine.)'
Branduin eeps!
Cyto says 'that's just WRONG'
Dariathe falls down laughing.
Branduin giggles.
Dariathe says 'Hey I mean my FRIEND, FRIEND'
Dariathe says 'GIRL friend.'
Branduin says 'cyto if you are asking how did jesus respond in the garden'
Dariathe says 'ER, girl FRIEND.'
Dariathe coughs loudly.
Cyto says 'no'
Branduin says 'he went willingly to fulfill the Father's will'
Cyto says 'I wasn't asking that'
Branduin says 'and when Peter cut off Malchius' ear'
Cyto says 'that was one time'
Redfieldt says 'why where you asking'
Branduin says 'he healed him and went on'
Redfieldt says 'what whre you asking'
Cyto says 'in the gospels there are several times when people wanted to grab hold of Yeshua'
Cyto says 'or stone him'
Cyto says 'In one instance they wanted to make him King'
Branduin says 'he passed right thru b/c it wasn't time'
Cyto says 'In another instance they wanted to kill him'
Branduin says 'he was doing the Father's will which he saw much more clearly than we do'
Branduin says 'in our cases it isn't so cut and dried'
Cyto says 'well I think we can see the Father's will pretty clearly'
Cyto says 'in many cases'
Branduin pats Cyto on his head.
Dariathe sighs.
Dariathe nods.
Branduin says 'sometimes we can'
Branduin says 'Jesus' response was to follow it'
Cyto says 'It is never God's will that we be beaten up, raped, or abused, physically, emotionally or otherwise'
Branduin says 'ours sometimes isn't'
Branduin says 'i agree'
Branduin says 'been there done that now what's your point?'
Cyto says 'Nor is it God's will that we be put in a position we're not supposed to be in or not ready for'
Cyto says 'Like King'
Dariathe scratches her head in bewilderment.
Cyto says 'if its not his will that we be King yet'
Dariathe says 'In terms of God's will for us being beaten up, raped, abused, etc.?'
Cyto says 'there are a lot of things that people might want us to do or be'
Dariathe says 'Isn't it actually pretty complicated to talk about "god's will" because Christians DO get martyred and starve and die of cancer, etc.?'
Branduin nods at Dariathe.
Dariathe says 'Is this one of those things were we say he doesn't will them to happen but permits them to?'
Cyto says 'like a Doctor, a cheerleader, their doormat, sick, healthy'
Cyto nods at Dariathe.
Cyto says 'our parents might also want us to do things that aren't God's will for us'
Cyto says 'like a different profession'
Cyto says 'or a different hobby,'
Cyto says 'or a different roll in the family, like an enabler (fascilitating someones bad behaviour)'
Branduin says 'well 1 corinthians says to obey God rather than men'
Cyto says 'YES'
Cyto nods in enthusiastic agreement with Branduin.
Dariathe nods.
Branduin says 'but also Matt says to honor thy father and thy mother'
Cyto says 'In those situations we aren't supposed to blindly comply with God's will'
Cyto says 'errr'
Cyto says 'sorry'
Cyto says 'Man's will'
Cyto says 'but Rather God's will'
Branduin says 'so you have to be careful that you aren't just acting out'
Cyto nods at Branduin.
Branduin says 'and disobeying your parents'
Cyto says 'can sometimes be honoring to God'
Branduin says 'u have to be REALLY really careful when doing that'
Cyto says 'when your parent's will Directly opposes God'
Branduin hugs Elorien.
Dariathe beams a smile at Elorien.
Dariathe nods.
Dariathe says 'It's a tough case of discernment'
Dariathe gasps in astonishment.
Cyto says 'So anyway what can we Do when we see we're in that horrible situatin'
Cyto says 'What's God's will for us getting out of it?'
Branduin says 'pray pray pray then act'
Cyto says 'Can we take any hints from Yeshua?'
Cyto nods at Branduin.
Cyto says 'How? act?'
Dariathe grins mischievously at Elorien.
Dariathe hugs Elorien.
Branduin says 'how you feel god is leading you'
Cyto beams a smile at Elorien.
Redfieldt says 'work like everything depends on you, pray like everything depneds on god'
Cyto says 'well lets get a bit more specific'
Dariathe says 'It's often pretty hard to discern God's voice in a situation like that though'
Branduin nods at Dariathe.
Dariathe says 'Christian accountability and advice is helpful too'
Cyto says 'How could you honor your parents when they were telling you to be a lawyer when that wasn't your calling'
Branduin says 'yep that's why Godly counsel is important too'
Dariathe says 'But that's also depending on whether / how clearly you hear your own calling'
Branduin nods in enthusiastic agreement with Dariathe.
Branduin says 'maybe it is God's will and you don't see it yet'
Branduin says 'then you can honor God by honoring your parents'
Branduin says 'until you are 100% sure you aren't supposed to be a lawyer'
Cyto says 'okay but here we're talking about, when you are pretty sure that its not God's will that you do whatever , you're being told to do'
Branduin says 'depends on how old yu are and if it is in direct violation of the Word'
Branduin says 'i mean there is a difference cyto between in Roman times when parents told a child they HAD to sacrifice to the Emperor and now when they ask you to be a lawyer'
Redfieldt says 'cyTo?'
Redfieldt says 'yes '
Redfieldt blames Cyto. Redfieldt ALWAYS blames Cyto.
Dariathe nods sagely.
Dariathe will be right back!
Branduin says 'i called athos who was working on it but in the meantime INT got us up ;)'
Cyto says 'okay who's ready'
Cyto says 'waiting for dariathe'
Branduin says 'now i can't remember my response :('
Cyto says 'well lets say that you are above the age of consent living in their house, you have no means '
Branduin hehs at thin air! How ridiculous.
Branduin says 'sounds like you are personalizing cyto ;)'
Branduin grins mischievously.
Cyto says 'well lets say that you are above the age of consent living in their house, you have no means of support and are in school and they are pressuring you to change your program, and insist in getting into a verbally violent argument with you'
Branduin says 'under their roof though ;)'
Branduin says 'sometimes as much as we hate to admit it, parents do know best and God can honour us when we do honour them ;)'
Redfieldt says 'and somtimes they are full of curd'
Branduin giggles.
Branduin says 'not if you are in their house with no means to support yourself then you are still under those rules ;)'
Cyto says 'i understand that BRandy'
Cyto says 'HOWEVER'
Branduin says 'to obey is better than sacrifice ;)'
Cyto says 'we are for the premise of this discussion'
Cyto says 'taking that LAWYERING is not the path for you'
Cyto says 'the rest following that'
Branduin giggles.
Cyto says 'GIVEN that lawyering is not the path for you, how do you handle the situation'
Branduin says 'well no one said that you couldn't minister and be a lawyer ;)'
Cyto says 'of being abused'
Cyto says 'LAWYERING IS NOT THE PATH FOR YOU!!!'
Branduin says 'well then you have to get out of the situation then and then you can do something other than lawyering'
Cyto says 'THANK YOU'
Branduin says 'geesh take a chill pill will ya?'
Cyto wipes his brow with obvious relief.
Cyto says 'yes that is the right answer'
Branduin giggles.
Cyto says 'Like yeshua'
Branduin says 'well yeah, i am always right'
Branduin nods sagely.
Branduin giggles.
Branduin tosses her head haughtily.
Cyto says 'He was often in the situation where people wanted him to do things that he didn't want to do'
Cyto says 'they even wanted to give him honors and lauds and responsibilities that he didn't want to have'
Cyto says 'and what did he do'