Bible Study log
Cyto says 'Okay so tonight we'll be studying romans 15'
Cyto says 'has anyone considered the questions i put in the note?'
Cyto must like Seth a great deal to beam at him so broadly!
Cyto gives Seth a brotherly hug.
Seth bows deeply.
Seth waves happily.
Heather says 'what note'
Cyto says '15:1 Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. 15:2 Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his edification. 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written, "THE REPROACHES OF THOSE WHO REPROACHED YOU FELL ON ME." 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and'
Cyto says 'we've gone over the first few verses a few times'
Cyto says 'but i'd like to take an over view of the whole chapter'
Cyto says 'if everyone has a bible, if they could get it and look it over it would be good'
Cyto says 'so we'll go through the whole chapter quickly and then disect'
Hatfield loudly exclaims 'DOH!'
Cyto says 'in the beginning and throughout there is a them'
Cyto says 'theme'
Cyto says 'of Sacrifice'
Cyto says 'but not just sacrifice for no reason!'
Cyto says 'sacrifice for a specific purpose'
Cyto says 'the book talks about God's purpose'
Cyto says 'God's purpose for the Church as a whole'
Cyto says 'It talks about how Love and relationships translate to actions, between God and man'
Cyto says 'clear so far?'
Hatfield nods sagely.
Heather says 'amen'
Cyto says 'Obviously the first verse'
Cyto says '15:1 Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. 15:2 Each of us is to please his neighbor for his good, to his edification. 15:3 For even Christ did not please Himself, but as it is written, "THE REPROACHES OF THOSE WHO REPROACHED YOU FELL ON ME." 15:4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and'
Cyto says 'we sacrifice for our neighbor'
Cyto says 'this is good and acceptable, this is what Christ did for us'
Cyto says 'Christ is a type of what our actions should be to each other'
Cyto says 'Christ defines our relationships, they are types of his relationship to us'
Cyto says 'so when we see how Christ acted toward us we see how we are to act toward each other and toward him'
Cyto says 'and we have reason'
Cyto says 'He loved us so much , he gave so much, we would be pretty stinky if we didn't return the favor'
Cyto says 'Now this gives us a practical example of HOW Yeshua loved us'
Cyto says 'The reproaches of those who Reproached you fell on me'
Cyto says 'this can be looked at in a few ways'
Cyto says 'Satan is the accuser'
Cyto says 'Christ took the punishment'
Cyto says 'Men accuse and reproach God'
Cyto says 'The hating of Christ was an example of how people really felt toward God'
Hatfield says 'forgive me bro, I need to scoot'
Hatfield bows deeply.
Cyto says 'a lot of times people say they Love God'
Cyto gives Hatfield a brotherly hug.
Cyto says 'However'
Hatfield says 'Heather, welcome'
Cyto says 'they may love a different God'
Cyto says 'the people in my Church have a way of saying that even though some people love Jesus, its a different Jesus'
Cyto says 'Whoever they are worshipping is not the God of the Bible'
Cyto says 'They make their own assumptions about who he is, and what he thinks'
Cyto says 'Instead of listening to what HE said'
Cyto says 'When Jesus Came he was hated, since he was Not the God people were worshipping'
Cyto says '(my take)'
Cyto says 'They called the name YWHY'
Cyto says 'yet they did not love'
Cyto says 'See where it says whatever was written in earlier times'
Cyto says 'it shows that the WHOLE Bible is pointing to certain things'
Cyto says 'The Bible is one Cohesive thing for a purpose'
Cyto says 'It show's God's word'
Cyto says 'and His calling'
Cyto says 'and Draws people to him through the ages'
Cyto says 'It points to Christ, and the path to salvation'
Cyto says 'and God's desire for His people and what he wanted them to do'
Cyto says 'God wants more from us than to be saved'
Redfieldt boldly proclaims 'Amen!'
Cyto says 'This chapter shows us acting as One, not only for each other'
Cyto says 'but For God'
Redfieldt says 'brb doing laundry'
Cyto says 'Our Love is for each other,'
Cyto says 'Our love is For God'
Cyto says 'Our desire is for our own benefit'
Cyto says 'All these things are one in God's plan'
Cyto says 'Look at this next part'
Redfieldt says 'huh what where how whoi'
Cyto says 'Its show's God's heart for Gentiles'
Cyto says 'It shows that the OT was pointing to the NT, God's will for Jews and God's will for Gentiles is unity, He desires one body'
Cyto says 'The root of Jesse, and He who arises to rule over the Gentiles'
Cyto says '15:12 Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE."'
Cyto says 'This is showing how God's will for Jews/gentiles its all connected'
Cyto says 'Jesse was David's Father'
Cyto says 'God promised David to have His kingdom/line go on forever'
Cyto says 'Showing Gentiles here shows, how this is one continuous plan for everyone'
Cyto says 'God The Father's unity with Yeshua, Yeshua's Unity with The Church, the Church's unity with each other'
Cyto says 'the OT and the NT showing God's Love in perfect synchronicity'
Cyto says 'It shows How God's plan was perfect'
Cyto says 'Big'
Redfieldt says 'look around cyto'
Redfieldt says 'nemch are you here'
Cyto says 'it takes History, and people and everyone into account'
Redfieldt says 'CYto!'
Cyto lols at everyone. What in the world is a lol?
Redfieldt says 'see what I mean'
Redfieldt says 'everyone lost intrest'
Cyto says 'I'm not sure if that's true'
Redfieldt says 'anyone listening'
Redfieldt says 'peep up now'
Cyto says 'some people had to do stuff with their family'
Redfieldt nods.
Redfieldt says 'I still have to finish laundry'
Redfieldt says 'but that is just it'
Cyto says 'people only have so much time'
Cyto says 'heather will be back later probably'
Redfieldt says 'but you continue on and no one is benefiting from it'
Redfieldt says 'brb'
Cyto says 'I'm here and your here'
Cyto says 'so there are at least two people benefitting from it'
Cyto says 'Heather and I will go over the logs tomorrow'
Cyto says 'and my mother would love to see this'
Cyto says 'Also God is pleased when people study Him'
Cyto says 'a whole Lot of good stuff is happening!'
Cyto says 'People got prayed over'
Cyto says 'People praised'
Cyto says 'The Lord's name was exalted to our limited extent'
Cyto says 'and we showed we were interested'
Cyto says 'I think God will bless that'
Cyto beams a smile at Redfieldt.
Cyto says 'hey wb nemch'
Cyto smiles happily.
Nemch says 'hi'
Cyto says '15:12 Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE."'
Cyto says 'we're looking at the amazing scope of God's plan, his desire for unity'
Nemch says 'sry, trying to understand something. And praying to God about something, now I dont know what to think'
Cyto says '15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy spirit.'
Redfieldt says 'see again'
Redfieldt says 'you lost a student'
Cyto says 'what are you trying to understand'
Cyto nicely asks Redfieldt to be more quiet.
Nemch says 'no no no, nothing that cyto is saying'
Nemch says 'I can't tell if god wants me at one church or another'
Cyto says 'there's a book i'd like to recommend for you'
Cyto says 'Toxic faith'
Cyto says 'I don't know that your ready to accept it yet'
Cyto says 'but it deals with problems your facing'
Nemch says 'I like where I am at now, but it seems like Christ is calling me to another place, one where I used to attend but dont care to return to. And I dont care to return to it because I left a while ago and have moved on and I like where I am at now'
Cyto says 'that said Choosing a church has a few basic criteria'
Cyto says 'Is the church healthy'
Cyto says 'is what they say in line with God's word'
Nemch says 'the one where I am at now doesnt have alot of members but its got some spirit'
Cyto says 'you need to be brutally honest there'
Nemch says 'oh yes, its a bible beliving church'
Nemch says 'both places are, the place I am at now is none denominational and the other is an assembly of god'
Cyto says 'do the members love one another, lift one another up, ease each others burdens avoid clicks, be kind and gentle, Does the pastor make sure that conflicts are resolved in a godly way'
Nemch says 'so far what I have seen, yes'
Cyto says 'also note, I have found you don't have to choose a church'
Cyto says 'you can go to more than one'
Nemch says 'true, you can go to more then one. I do like the one I am at now tho'
Cyto says 'don't think about where you're going to sit, think about how you're going to serve God'
Nemch says 'but if God wants me at the other one, then that is where I need to be'
Redfieldt nods.
Nemch says 'its like one minute God is saying this church, and I say ok, then he turns around and says no, this church'
Nemch says 'so which is it?'
Cyto says 'that's not God talking'
Cyto says 'that's you'
Redfieldt says 'It's easy to go our way'
Cyto says 'or at least some of it'
Redfieldt says 'and not Gods way'
Redfieldt says 'narrow is Gods way'
Nemch says 'yes, narrow is Gods way'
Nemch says 'I have asked Him for some confirmation'
Cyto says 'its also easy to mistake subconscious desires for God's leading'
Cyto says 'if you have conflicting subconscious desires, its easy to mistake them for God leading you two ways'
Nemch says 'I honestly like where I am at now. They have an awesome school of ministry on monday nights'
Cyto says 'God can use you anywhere'
Nemch says 'yeah, true.'
Cyto says 'its good to ask where he Wants that to be'
Cyto says 'but its reasonable to desire clear leading'
Nemch says 'yes, I am wanting the clear direction'
Cyto says 'well ask God to give you a clear sign'
Cyto says 'there are a couple of things i may do'
Cyto says 'I might just do what i want'
Cyto says 'and ignore God'
Cyto says 'I might ask God to give me a clear sign and say until i see something more specific I'll do what i want'
Cyto says 'or use my mind'
Cyto says 'and say I think I'm not sure what God wants so I'm going to use my brain to figure it out to the best of my ability'
Cyto says 'make a decision, and if God wants to change that show me his desire'
Cyto says 'or I might do the hard thing and see what happens'
Nemch says 'I have asked Him to lay the desire heavily on my heart when I wake up the next morning. And I will prolly pray about it for the rest of the night untill I get a clear answer'
Redfieldt nods.
Redfieldt says 'good choice'
Cyto says 'your heart is eminently deceptive its not a good test'
Cyto says 'you can make your heart say whatever you want'
Redfieldt says 'I disagree'
Nemch says 'God also speaks to the heart tho'
Cyto says 'he does'
Redfieldt says 'that statement from washer was a general statement on the evil of man'
Cyto says 'but you can't absolutely rely on it'
Cyto says 'your heart is corrupt, your still in the flesh'
Cyto says 'your spirit is cleaned'
Cyto says 'but your flesh can deceive you'
Cyto says 'and does'
Cyto says 'You Think you want the Cookie'
Nemch says 'yeah'
Nemch lols at everyone. What in the world is a lol?
Nemch says 'really, i want a cookie'
Cyto says 'but in reality you know the cookie will make you fat and slow and think less quickly'
Nemch says 'a nice moist ewie gooie chocolate chip cookie'
Cyto says 'but You really want the cookie according to your body'
Cyto says 'i like white chocolate macadamia myself'
Nemch says 'those little boogers are good'
Cyto says 'when I ask God for a sign i often ask him to show me something outside myself'
Nemch says 'now, I used to do alot of sign asking, and I pretty much stopped doing it unless I really really need one. '
Cyto says 'have people come up and tell me things'
Cyto says 'have preachers preach, hear it on the radio, or make a window close and a door open'
Cyto says 'well knowing God's word helps and being in it'
Cyto says 'and being in prayer'
Cyto says 'but its easy to deceive yourself, sometimes you need to make a choice and wait for God or you'd be waiting a long time and constantly hamstringing yourself with what you think is God but is really your own fear'
Cyto says 'if i do what i feel and I'm not sure its GOD feeling, sometimes i end up doing the WRONG thing'
Cyto says 'that can mess up your life'
Cyto says 'so be careful'
Nemch says 'oh trust me, I have learned the lesson about being out of Gods will the oh so very hard way'
Cyto nods.
Nemch says 'and I have learned the oh so very hard way that Christ Jesus is an imensly jelous God'
Cyto says 'not just out of his will, being out of His will, AND logic'
Cyto says 'God gave you a brain for a reason, if your not sure what God wants, it is a good idea to use your brain'
Cyto says 'hopefully God will reveal himself later'
Nemch says 'well, I believe in harpin on Him till He does give me an answer'
Cyto says 'if you have a compelling feeling about the other church'
Cyto says 'why don't you visit and see if there's anything that you feel needs attention'
Cyto says 'i understand that, but you can drive yourself crazy,'
Cyto says 'and I don't think God meant people to drive themselves Crazy'
Cyto says 'persist yes'
Cyto says 'stop their lives, not ususally'
Nemch says 'not driving my self crazy, just makin sure I am where God wants me to be. If I get confused I am not going to let up till he talks to me and cears things up for me'
Cyto nods.
Cyto says 'ok'
Cyto says 'just be careful not to rely on emotion'
Nemch says 'why I am seeking Him on the issue'
Cyto says 'I guess that's study for tonight'
Cyto says 'I'm going to pray'
Cyto says 'and then we can continue talking'